Posts by AuldSoul

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If the FDS was appointed in 33 C.E., then why did Jesus inspect in 1918?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

first, some background: when i first began to have doubts about whether the jw religion was "the truth," i performed quite a bit of research on the faithful and discreet slave doctrine...in the society's literature, of course.

like many of us, i had never really examined the doctrine.

well, needless to say (but i'll say it anyway), i found major flaws in the society's interpretation of the parable of the faithful and discreet slave.

AuldSoul

yadda_yadda,

I didn't say he thought it might never happen. He obviously thought it might happen, he just didn't prophesy that it would happen. You framed your post as though this was a prophecy that had to be fulfilled, and that isn't how we communicate about things that only might happen. Not in English, anyway.

Jesus did not speak of two appointments, as you claimed, he spoke of one appointment that might happen, but only if a certain set of conditions was met and a certain judicious identification could be made. He also spoke of another eventuality that might happen, but only if a different set of conditions was met. Do you disagree with that? If so, why?

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Anyone near central PENNSYLVANIA ??

by HSS1971 in

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friends

just trying to connect with some old acquaintances to discuss and compare notes.

AuldSoul

I am now, but I doubt I was when you were. I'm in Hershey, PA, just outside Harrisburg, PA. My wife is in the Palmyra, PA congregation.

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If the FDS was appointed in 33 C.E., then why did Jesus inspect in 1918?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

first, some background: when i first began to have doubts about whether the jw religion was "the truth," i performed quite a bit of research on the faithful and discreet slave doctrine...in the society's literature, of course.

like many of us, i had never really examined the doctrine.

well, needless to say (but i'll say it anyway), i found major flaws in the society's interpretation of the parable of the faithful and discreet slave.

AuldSoul

yadda_yadda,

If you read carefully-er, you will find that there was no appointment whatsoever. There was a prediction of one possible appointment and two identifications, neither of which were of necessity to occur, but either of which could occur. Each identification was predicated upon a certain set of conditions. Neither of these sets must be met. Therefore, the resulting appointment from one of the identifications is also not required as a fulfillment . . . this wasn't a prophecy, it was counsel.

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If the FDS was appointed in 33 C.E., then why did Jesus inspect in 1918?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

first, some background: when i first began to have doubts about whether the jw religion was "the truth," i performed quite a bit of research on the faithful and discreet slave doctrine...in the society's literature, of course.

like many of us, i had never really examined the doctrine.

well, needless to say (but i'll say it anyway), i found major flaws in the society's interpretation of the parable of the faithful and discreet slave.

AuldSoul

The part that kills me is they say Jehovah was using C.T. Russell in a special way as early as 1874. So Jesus didn't know who Jehovah was using and didn't know who his brothers were.

About needing an organization to do the preaching: If these did not speak the very stones would cry out. Which visible earthly organization would the stones have to be attached to in order to do the preaching work?

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Watchtower Comments GENERATION VIDEO

by V in

AuldSoul

I'm not rushing you, V and company, just encouraging you and complimenting you: When is the next one being released?

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GB sidles out of 1919 and puts 1914 in the bin. (WT study.)!!

by hamsterbait in

has anybody noticed in many recent watchtowers that christ is now said to have "turned his attention to the earth in 1914.".

unlike the 60's they do not say christ "came" in 1914. the "proclaimers book " p137 says the bible students came to discern that "christ did not return, (even invisibly), in 1914.".

the way is now paved.

AuldSoul

Hamsterbait,

I got the joke immediately. I just hope no one took it seriously enough to try and use this information with a family member or loved one. That would easily confirm in the minds of the JW loyalist how deceptive such an apostate family member has become.

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Does anyone have a scan of the old 1927 "generation" meaning?

by middleman in

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friends

i would love to have a copy to compare this to the newest change from april.

i also have the 1995 awake bound volume that had the old change.

thanks for all yalls help.

AuldSoul

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Baneblessed/WTFebruary15-1927.gif

Here's the February 15, 1927 scan. I found it online.

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Major Changes in Watchtower Land???

by dedalus in

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friends

according to my wife, who is reading some other discussion board, the following changes are happening in the organization, or will happen, or have happened:.

1. no more book study meetings.

instead, the book study is added to the theocratic ministry school meeting.. 2. awake is published only once a month.. 3. two versions of the watchtower: one for the public, one for the witnesses themselves.. 4. shortened sunday meetings -- 1.5 hours instead of 2.0 hours.. 5. shortened hourly requirements for pioneers (this one may not be as new as the others?)..

AuldSoul

If you want to get a real treat, take a look at these slick videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WTComments

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Major Changes in Watchtower Land???

by dedalus in

jw
friends

according to my wife, who is reading some other discussion board, the following changes are happening in the organization, or will happen, or have happened:.

1. no more book study meetings.

instead, the book study is added to the theocratic ministry school meeting.. 2. awake is published only once a month.. 3. two versions of the watchtower: one for the public, one for the witnesses themselves.. 4. shortened sunday meetings -- 1.5 hours instead of 2.0 hours.. 5. shortened hourly requirements for pioneers (this one may not be as new as the others?)..

AuldSoul

All true, sort of.

1. No more Book Study meetings. Instead, the Book Study is added to the Theocratic Ministry School meeting.
2. Awake is published only once a month.
3. Two versions of the Watchtower: one for the public, one for the Witnesses themselves.
4. Shortened Sunday meetings -- 1.5 hours instead of 2.0 hours.
5. Shortened hourly requirements for pioneers (this one may not be as new as the others?).

The Congregation Book Study has become 25 minutes on the same evening as the Theocratic Ministry School and Serve-Us Meeting. The other meetings have been shortened to accomodate it.

Awake is only published monthly, and might be dropped entirely.

There are not two versions of the Watchtower, technically, but there is one published for the public and the one that includes study articles is supposed to be for JWs only. This will help them in late claims that the study articles contain proprietay information, much like the Pay Attention book, or the Insight books.

The Sunday meeting has been shortened.

Auxiliary Pioneers now have to get at least 50 hours per month, Regular Pioneers have to get 70 hours per month.

No doubt the end is near. The end of funds, the end of new recruits, the end of a failed religious experiment . . .

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Dispelling Watchtower Myths of RC Beliefs

by Amazing in

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friends

over the last two years, as i moved back to the catholic church, i have been confronted with objections by several people regarding certain catholic teachings.

these concerns are almost always the same, and are founded in mythology created by the watchtower society, and some evangelical denominations.

god can and does use fallible men to do infallible things?

AuldSoul

Praying to St. Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and praying to the Saints: This doctrine has been greatly maligned by non-Catholic denominations in the last couple of hundred years. The Watchtower is no exception. Catholics and Orthodox hold a long nearly 2000-year historic view that the Saints are in heaven, alive, and are watching over us. The Aposles Creed, a statement of faith dating back in various forms to the early 2nd century, and somewhat into the first century, holds that "... we believe in the communion of Saints, ..." which means that one can talk to a Saint just as one would talk to a close member of one's family or a close friend. Such prayer is not considered an act of worship. In fact, I can find no scripture that would limit our contact to only the Father, nor any that prohibits contact with the Angels or Saints. To a Catholic, such "prayer' is a mere form of communication to ask a Saint of special interest to pray for us, to help us in our walk with God. Perhaps you have asked someone in your family to pray for you, and look out for you? It is meant the same way to Catholics.

I had been puzzling out that very thing, lately. If I believe these have risen why could I not talk to them? How would talking to them be worship? Thanks for sharing that, Amazing.