Posts by caz

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A question about the 44,000?

by caz in

i studied with the jw's on and off for a couple of years and i could never get my head around the belief that 44,000 ( special ones) would be going to heaven and how they themselves worked out that they would be one of them?

i remember at easter one year i was invited to a 'special' meeting, i think they called it "the memorial" or something like that.

anyway, they passed around a goblet of what looked like wine and a plate of broken crackers and everyone just passed it around the whole room, from one person to the next.

caz

"Skinny Boy" and "Heathen"......Your posts cracked me up.

I'm pleased to see that they weren't able to take away your sense of humour!!

CaZ

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A question about the 44,000?

by caz in

i studied with the jw's on and off for a couple of years and i could never get my head around the belief that 44,000 ( special ones) would be going to heaven and how they themselves worked out that they would be one of them?

i remember at easter one year i was invited to a 'special' meeting, i think they called it "the memorial" or something like that.

anyway, they passed around a goblet of what looked like wine and a plate of broken crackers and everyone just passed it around the whole room, from one person to the next.

caz

Wow, thanx guys for all of this info'.

Now my other question is this?

How do they convince educated people that this is the truth?

They are very clever in that they do!

My sister believed all of their doctrine, for a long time I thought I had found the truth too.

We are not stupid people, how do they do it?

CaZ

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Can the Jehovah's Witnesses society be sued

by caz in

my sister who is the ex wife of the fellow i posted about,( re: commiting suicide) was a jw for 17 years being df'd 4 years ago.

i have told her about this site and read to her the replies to the posts i have made and she has had a browse around but will not join yet as she does not have access to the internet, although she really loves the site.

she and i were talking this morning and thru me she would like to ask; does anyone here think it would get her anywhere if she were to sue the watchtower society for years of guilt and mental stress she and her late ex husband have suffered?

caz

My sister who is the Ex wife of the fellow I posted about,( re: commiting suicide) was a JW for 17 years being df'd 4 years ago.

I have told her about this site and read to her the replies to the posts I have made and she has had a browse around but will not join yet as she does not have access to the internet, although she really loves the site.

She and I were talking this morning and thru me she would like to ask; Does anyone here think it would get her anywhere if she were to sue the Watchtower society for years of guilt and mental stress she and her late ex husband have suffered?

Now that she has been df'd she has been in contact with other ex jw's that she once knew as a part of the society and she is amazed at how many of them ( nearly all 18 of them) are on anti depressant medication and have required councelling after their time with the org'.

It would appear that they have all been affected in some way and can definately put it down to the doctrine, expected lifestyle and brainwashing during that time of their lives.

Many of them have lost contact with close family and friends and their lives are in ruins now.

Is this a good arguement for which she could sue, maybe organise a class act?

Has anyone ever tried before?

( I must tell you we were discussing this somewhat tongue in cheek but it did get us to thinking about it so we thought we would put the question to you guys.)

CaZ

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A question about the 44,000?

by caz in

i studied with the jw's on and off for a couple of years and i could never get my head around the belief that 44,000 ( special ones) would be going to heaven and how they themselves worked out that they would be one of them?

i remember at easter one year i was invited to a 'special' meeting, i think they called it "the memorial" or something like that.

anyway, they passed around a goblet of what looked like wine and a plate of broken crackers and everyone just passed it around the whole room, from one person to the next.

caz

Nope sorry, I'm sure the latest 'direct message' I recieved was definately 44,000!!!

Ok, so I'm an odd hundred thousand off but my questions remain the same!!!!!!

( thanx too for enlightening me)

CaZ

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A question about the 44,000?

by caz in

i studied with the jw's on and off for a couple of years and i could never get my head around the belief that 44,000 ( special ones) would be going to heaven and how they themselves worked out that they would be one of them?

i remember at easter one year i was invited to a 'special' meeting, i think they called it "the memorial" or something like that.

anyway, they passed around a goblet of what looked like wine and a plate of broken crackers and everyone just passed it around the whole room, from one person to the next.

caz

I studied with the Jw's on and off for a couple of years and i could never get my head around the belief that 44,000 ( special ones) would be going to heaven and how THEY themselves worked out that they would be one of them?

I remember at Easter one year i was invited to a 'special' meeting, I think they called it "The memorial" or something like that.

Anyway, they passed around a goblet of what looked like wine and a plate of broken crackers and everyone just passed it around the whole room, from one person to the next.

I was told before this meeting that under NO circumstances was i to partake of the wine or the bread as it was only for the "select few" to do so.

My question is: How do they, ( the ones who decide to take a sip or have a nibble) know that they have been chosen, what is the method of Jehovah's communication to them to enlighten them to their future role.

AND

when i was told not to partake, how did the person telling me this not know that I hadn't had a little visit or some form of communication to tell me that I myself may have been a chosen one? ( Not likely though!!!!! Tee hee hee).

By the way, as it turned out, we had no one at our meeting that day who drank from or ate from the things offered so why do they bother with it at all?

Surely if they know that no one has been chosen to do so prior to the meeting then they could have just stayed home eating their Easter eggs!!! ( Joking!).

Or maybe, does the 'revelation of having been made a chosen one just suddently hit that person as he/she takes a hold of the cup/plate?

Could someone please enlighten me on my questions and tell me also, when my mouth went suddenly dry as I held that cup and my tummy started to rumble as I took that plate.......did I miss my opportunity?

Thanx........CaZ

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Evolution or creation.....

by searching4? in

i know what i was taught from the witnesses in the book evolution or creation,but is this an accurate portrayal of what evolutionists believe?

is it really that black or white?

evolution, meaning that god didn't have a plan, things just happened, or creation,god created adam, the first man?

caz

Searching4................You seem to have opened a can of worms and i have just finished reading all of the replies.....I have a serious brain freeze here! lol!

I think that most of us simple, living folk, need to have a God! I for one am not strong enough to get through the hurdles in my life without my thoughts going out to a God of some kind. ( at least that is where I am at right now).

I do not come close to having the 'brains' that your main repliers ( is that even a word?) have, so I cannot add much to the discussion although I have always wondered about the age of the Earth as evolutionists would have us believe. Hundreds of thousands-----millions of years old?

I ask myself.......if the Earth and mankind himself really were millions of years old, then why did it take Hundreds of thousands of years to go from inventing a wheel to inventing the whole car, when in the past 100 years mankind has invented the car to rocket ships, satelites, computers and all of the new things that we have had brought into our lives in the past 100 years? Am I making any sense? It just seems to me that mankind cannot be that old or all of these things would have been invented long before the 20th century?

( I apologise if I have gone off track with this reply and question)

CaZ

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A funny way to stop the door knockers!

by caz in

my last 2 posts have been so sad that i thought i would tell you about something that i remembered once when the jw"s came a calling.

i guess it would have been funny if it wasn't so darn embarassing!

when i was younger i was trying to 'get fit' and had taken to doing aerobics in my loungeroom.

caz

My last 2 posts have been so sad that I thought I would tell you about something that I remembered once when the JW"s came a calling.

I guess it would have been funny if it wasn't so darn embarassing!!

When I was younger i was trying to 'get fit' and had taken to doing aerobics in my loungeroom.

I didn't own a leotard so I wore a full peice swimming costume with tites underneath.

On this day I was in the middle of a routine that required me to be on my hands and knees on the floor, when there was a knock at my door.

I jumped up to answer it and found 2 elderly gentlemen, ( JW's) standing there. They were just about to start their speech when one of them quickly said, " we have obviously caught you at a bad time, we will come back another day" and with that, they practically ran up my driveway and down the street!!

I was somewhat confused by this until as I walked back into my house and i looked down and saw that both of my boobs had popped out over the top of my costume and must have been sitting there when i had answered the door!!

Well they never did return, infact I asked my sister who was a JW at the time and she told me that my house had been put on a " do not return" list!!!!! LOL!

So that is a suggestion for all of you wanting to stop the visits!!! It really works!!! Tee hee hee!

CaZ

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I've been debating on whether or not to share this...but here goes

by findingmyway in

for those of you who will be disgusted that i even attended the meeting, let alone allow my son to give his first public talk tonight, please, spare me the shouting messages.

i take full responsibility for what i experienced this evening.

yet, i feel the need to share this experience that has me enraged.

caz

I am new here too and came to vent about my own experience with the witnesses re: my brother in laws recent suicide.

I am sorry that they made you feel this way, you are not to blame for allowing him to give his talk. He will never be able to say to you that you stopped him from doing what he wanted, but it is probably best to keep him away now.

At my bro' in laws funeral, the elders took over, even though they had not been any support to the deceased throughout his living with a mental illness.

What I can relate to from your post is where they practically insinuated that your son was an orphan!

The elder giving the talk at the BIL's funeral called his sons orphans in front of everyone!! Even though their ( disfellowshipped mother was sitting right along side them arm in arm on the front pew!!!!!! It was discusting!!!!!!!!!

I wish you well and happiness to both you and your boy!

CaZ

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Update on my post re: The suicide.

by caz in

firstly let me start by saying thankyou to all of you who replied to my post re: the suicide of my brother in law.

i was amazed to come in today and find soooo many lovely messages of condolensce!

i cannot possibly reply to all but each and everyone of you, i want you to know that your replies have made a huge impact on my sister.

caz

Firstly let me start by saying Thankyou to all of you who replied to my post re: the suicide of my brother in law.

I was amazed to come in today and find soooo many lovely messages of condolensce!!

I cannot possibly reply to all but each and everyone of you, I want you to know that your replies have made a huge impact on my sister.

She sat here in tears reading your words and said 'how you have helped her to realise that "The World" isn't such a bad place to be after all'! ( she had been a witness herself for 17 years)

Thankyou for that.

Today some of the Witnesses are helping my husband and my sister move the deceased belongings from his house and I now cannot believe how they are picking through his belongings and saying, "well I'll take that, I gave him that"!! Fridges,tv's, a lounge etc.

They are not even asking the boys if they needed or wanted them. Infact the 16 year old boy asked if he could keep the television given to his Dad by his brother in law, ( a witness) and the

bro' in law said, " No, I don't want your mother getting her hands on it and selling it for $50.00"!! As if she would even consider it!! I can assure you she most certainly wouldn't!!

On the day of the suicide, the deceased hadn't even been removed from his room when we were there and his sister, ( another witness) said to his sons, "go and find your Father's wallet, we need to see if he has any money in the bank, does anyone know the password to his account, we need to draw the money out quickly or the bank will shut down the account, I can't afford to pay for a funeral"!!!

She said all of this within moments of telling my sister how she and her husband had just finished building a 5 bedroom, 3 bathroom house and also advising us to NEVER purchase a $16,000 plasma, wide screen tv as she had done because the picture on it wasn't worth the money!!!!!!

I thought that witnesses were supposed to be humble, living people?

They own their own business and are rolling in it!

I honestly wanted to slap her face and i'm not usually a person to entertain violent thoughts!

Anyways, I could just go on and on in here because there is so much that has happened that is beyond belief but it would take me a month to tell so I will close here with another thankyou to all of you wonderful, kind people and wish you all a happy day.

CaZ

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I'm just numb! :-( I need to vent!

by caz in

i have just witnessed for myself one of the most hypocritical scenes ever before in my life!

my sister's ex husband, ( father to 3 boys, 12, 15, 20 years) commited suicide a few days ago.

he has been a jehova's witness all of his life and and also suffered from bi polar disorder for most of it also, particularly bad in the past 3 years.

caz

I have just witnessed for myself one of the most hypocritical scenes ever before in my life!!

My sister's ex husband, ( father to 3 boys, 12, 15, 20 years) commited suicide a few days ago.

He has been a Jehova's witness all of his life and and also suffered from Bi polar disorder for most of it also, particularly bad in the past 3 years.

2 weeks before his successful attempt, he tried to kill himself but was revived, sent to hospital and convincing everyone, ( his sons and hospital staff) that he was "ok", he was sent home the next day.

My sister, although herself having been 'disfellowshipped' 3 years ago, rang several of the elders in the hope that they would lend some support to Andrew, her ex husband and hopefully help him during this very low time in his life.

Not one!!! Not one single elder visited him, almost ashamed they were!!

Not one of them offered any support to his children even though the 20 year old was now in charge of 'looking after' him!

Yesterday we had the funeral and after much deliberation behind the scenes, the elders decided that even though he had died by his own hand, they would 'take over' the funeral, which they did.

The elder preciding over the sad event talked about how imperetive it was that they form a comfort zone for these children, support them, give them spiritual guidance, help care for them, make sure they can attend meeting etc!

I want to know, where were they when Andrew had first attempted to take his life, where was his spiritual support? NO WHERE!

At the funeral, most of the attending witnesses refused to even look at my sister, let alone speak to her, they organised their own 'wake' knowing full well that she and the children had organised one elsewhere, they announced at the funeral where this wake would take place but didn't even mention the original one!

They just took over even though none of the boys had attended a meeting in several months.

I haven't got time right now to write the whole discusting story but this is a brief outline.

CaZ