"Daniel, OK, lets figure it out. It's very simple. Clear and honest observation is all. I offer nothing. You, hold the answers already.
Sit back and bring up some of the religious, philosophical or intellectual explanations of life that you have gathered throughout the years. Look closely at them as you list a few favorite ones within the mind. Now notice what is not on the list; notice what is looking.
Can you see and feel that conscious-awareness is closer and more intimately self, as compared to all the mental stuff you can see? What is more real? the mental stuff gathered, or that which sees it all?
Now then, shift attention onto the present-moment of awareness which silently witnesses all, and give less attention on the beliefs and conceptual jabber of the mind, and see what aliveness, what reality and actuality has been missed. Look closer and closer into the profound and immediate presence of your being, and see if you can find a boundary, bottom or wall. You're going into an area closer and vaster than the mind, so don't use mental interpretation as your flashlight, but rather the raw reality of silent existence.
This is a very different way to view and investigate into life, using life itself, rather than thoughts about life, to expose reality. It may take some time. Inquire sincerely, honestly and diligently into everything you have come to believe yourself to be, and see what is real and what is not. Who/what, are you, really?
You need go no where but where you already are. You need join no church or group. You need not earn or evolve. Just be......and see what is real and actual already."
OK, I can understand this, I think. I'll try this out when I have some time. Right now I've been hopping back and forth between work and JWD for the past few hours and I'm not in a the right frame of mind.
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Do you still believe?
by Chimene ini have found a lot of people no longer believe in god or jesus since leaving the organization.. im very shocked at this.
if you dont believe, can you tell me what brought to that conclusion?.
i was told to look at the thread that one of the members in this forum has created, they are very interesting, but i wanted to get a some feed back from different individuals.. thanks!
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what happens when the news leaks out...
by Calliope ini've split from my husband.
he first da-ed himself, which shocked the nation of family and friends.
and now, we've seperated.. note: i have, since the da-ing "incident", begun fading, but i live 1000s of miles from the nation of family and friends so they are clueless as to where i am at.. so now that people are hearing that we are seperated (although i have yet to tell any elder, so that in itself should be interesting) i've been getting the weirdest phone calls from wit friends i haven't heard from all year... and this morning, i received an email from an old brother in my parents hall back home.
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"One of the biggest flaws in men is they dont value women. This is a big reason women get divorced."
I spend many an hour trying to reassure my wife of her worth - sometimes it feels like I can never do any good... but I never spare a kind word or a reasuring touch. Your comment is true to a large extent, but don't apply it across the board. -
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Do you still believe?
by Chimene ini have found a lot of people no longer believe in god or jesus since leaving the organization.. im very shocked at this.
if you dont believe, can you tell me what brought to that conclusion?.
i was told to look at the thread that one of the members in this forum has created, they are very interesting, but i wanted to get a some feed back from different individuals.. thanks!
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"When you've got your shyte together, maybe you'll be a little more tolerant of others' having every right to hold what ever beliefs (or lack thereof) that they wish, without denigrating them. Meanwhile, you're totally entitled to your opinion, bud"
Thanks for putting me in my place as well as giving a little piecemeal recognition. You got the placation down, 'bud.' -
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Do you still believe?
by Chimene ini have found a lot of people no longer believe in god or jesus since leaving the organization.. im very shocked at this.
if you dont believe, can you tell me what brought to that conclusion?.
i was told to look at the thread that one of the members in this forum has created, they are very interesting, but i wanted to get a some feed back from different individuals.. thanks!
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I understood Siddhartha to be a retelling of the legend of Gautama, who was supposedly the original buddha or some such nonsense, right? Anyway, its been a looong time since I read it.
And when I say I am a realist, what I mean is that explanations of the meaning of life or the rationalization of it often degrade into the typical pseudo-intellectual prose of self-proclaimed philosophers and just generally make themselves sound like idiots. I hate it when some starts talking about being one with the Ultimate existence life spirit and crap like that. Don't get me wrong, I am no redneck, and I apreciate all kinds of poetry and I consider myself relatively cultured for my age, but I would just like to hear simple, real, meaningful words from a person who thinks they have it "figured out." And yes, it is about "figuring it out" since you are trying to offer an explanation of life. -
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So, why didn't Jesus write anything down?
by poppers interry's thread on who is right - jesus or paul, got me to wondering; why didn't jesus write anything down?
surely he would know that the things he said would be written down at some point, and that this would be the beginning of misunderstanding what he was saying.
secondhand accounts of spoken words have a way of changing dramatically from the original words.
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OK, I think someone needs to take a break from the bible.
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Do you still believe?
by Chimene ini have found a lot of people no longer believe in god or jesus since leaving the organization.. im very shocked at this.
if you dont believe, can you tell me what brought to that conclusion?.
i was told to look at the thread that one of the members in this forum has created, they are very interesting, but i wanted to get a some feed back from different individuals.. thanks!
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"That's right, you don't need any of those things - even drop the book - you don't need that either."
OK, I'll just go kill myself in order to reach the ultimate state of whatever. -
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Do you still believe?
by Chimene ini have found a lot of people no longer believe in god or jesus since leaving the organization.. im very shocked at this.
if you dont believe, can you tell me what brought to that conclusion?.
i was told to look at the thread that one of the members in this forum has created, they are very interesting, but i wanted to get a some feed back from different individuals.. thanks!
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Eh... I'm not really down on all that Buddha shit. I've read Sidhartha and all other Hesse novels and I don't think that guy really figured out a thing when it comes down to it. Reminds me of the worst movie of all time "What The Bleep Do We Know?" Bullshit, in my opinion. I guess I'm just a realist - don't need any flowery, mysterious prose to explain the meaning of life. Just give me a cup of coffee, a good book, and I'm happy.
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So, why didn't Jesus write anything down?
by poppers interry's thread on who is right - jesus or paul, got me to wondering; why didn't jesus write anything down?
surely he would know that the things he said would be written down at some point, and that this would be the beginning of misunderstanding what he was saying.
secondhand accounts of spoken words have a way of changing dramatically from the original words.
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He couldn't employ Judas' nephew, Jared, to pull the "scroll cart" because Jared demanded 2 silver shekels a month. Jesus was a freeloading tightass, everyone knows that.
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Those announced as "no longer regular pioneers"
by stillAwitness in3 sisters were announced as such at this past meeting (2 of which have a family member who was recently d'f but the third had been pioneering for as long as anyone can remember)
coincidence?
or possibly they were caught in some freaky-deaky 3 way love fest?
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"They are supposed to announce it when someone is no longer a regular pioneer."
Looks like youre right. Since I personally have never heard any pioneers announced as going off the list it must just be something these elders "overlook" so as not to embarrass the former pioneers.
*** km 2/91 p. 7 Announcements ***
Regarding pioneer service, the following reminders are given:
? An announcement should be made to the congregation when a regular pioneer discontinues his pioneer service. The brief announcement may simply state: “This is to inform the congregation that [name] is no longer serving as a regular pioneer.” -
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WTS: NO MORE BOUND VOLUMES AFTER THIS YEAR!
by Mary ini just found out today (from my sister) that crooklyn will not be making any more bound volumes of the watchtower or awake magazines after this year------instead, they're all going to be on audio tape only.
she does not have a computer so i generously
i think this could very well be yet another tactic of the gb trying to keep a lid on their "embarassing" quotes of yesterday.
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You must mean that they will put it on CDROM only. Bound volumes in audio doesn't make sense. Either way, they should have stopped producing those bound volumes long ago. My wife still insists on ordering the annual volumes when she knows its on CD too. I'll be happy when I no longer have those ugly brown books on my bookshelf. About as useful as the 1982 version of the Enyclopedia Brittanica.