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  Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith

  by whereami in

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  do you think the wts would except this?.

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  http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_n.htm?csp=usat.me.

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  daniel-p

  For me personally, it's not the religion of atheism that's so offensive, it's that the atheist won't 'fess up to it!

  You have a faith! You have beliefs! You have books! You have preachers! All that's missing is the cathedrals.

  Forgive me for not stating my question clearer: To put it another way, even if they have beliefs, books, preachers, etc., why do you care? If it's due to a percieved hypocrisy, it's a realm of hypocrisy that doesn't even apply to your own paradigm.

  So again, why would you care? Jesus didn't concern himself with those who no longer believed in the Jewish God (i.e. the Greeks), but tried to expose those who misrepresented that God, and who hypocritically led their own people astray.
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  Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith

  by whereami in

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  do you think the wts would except this?.

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  daniel-p

  Even if athiesm could be defined as a religion, why is it so offensive to those who are in other religions?
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  No More Camping in California

  by sammielee24 in

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  arnie is still apparently looking to go ahead with state park closures..unless this changes, here is some of the database of the parks mentioned for closure or cutbacks..70 million to be saved ...sammieswife.. .

  angeles districtleo carrillo spangeles districtlos angeles shpangeles districtlos encinos shpangeles districtmalibu creek spangeles districtmalibu lagoon sbangeles districtpio pico shpangeles districtpoint mugu spangeles districtrio de los angeles spangeles districtrobert h. meyer memorial sbangeles districtsanta susana pass shpangeles districttopanga spangeles districtverdugo mountainsangeles districtwill rogers shpcapital districtcalifornia state capitol museumcapital districtgovernor's mansion shpcapital districtleland stanford mansion shpcapital districtrailtown 1897 shpcapital districtstate indian museum shpcapital districtsutter's fort shpcentral valley districtbethany reservoir sracentral valley districtcalaveras big trees spcentral valley districtcalifornia mining & mineral museumcentral valley districtcaswell memorial spcentral valley districtcolumbia shpcentral valley districtgeorge j. hatfield sracentral valley districtgreat valley grasslands spcentral valley districtindian grinding rock shpcentral valley districtmcconnell srachannel coast districtcarpinteria sbchannel coast districtchumash painted cave shpchannel coast districtel capitan sbchannel coast districtemma wood sbchannel coast districtgaviota spchannel coast districtla purisima mission shpchannel coast districtmcgrath sbchannel coast districtpoint sal sbchannel coast districtrefugio sbchannel coast districtsan buenaventura sbcolorado desert districtanza-borrego desert spcolorado desert districtcuyamaca rancho spcolorado desert districtindio hills palmscolorado desert districtpalomar mountain spcolorado desert districtpicacho sracolorado desert districtsalton sea sradiablo vista districtannadel spdiablo vista districtbale grist mill shpdiablo vista districtbenicia capitol shpdiablo vista districtbenicia sradiablo vista districtbothe-napa valley spdiablo vista districtcandlestick point sradiablo vista districteast shore sp state shorelinediablo vista districtjack london shpdiablo vista districtjohn marsh home shpdiablo vista districtmount diablo spdiablo vista districtpetaluma adobe shpdiablo vista districtrobert louis stevenson spdiablo vista districtsonoma shpdiablo vista districtsugarloaf ridge spgold fields districtbrannan island sragold fields districtdelta meadowsgold fields districtfolsom powerhouse shpgold fields districtfranks tract sragold fields districtmarshall gold discovery shpgold fields districtstone lakeinland empire districtcalifornia citrus shpinland empire districtchino hills spinland empire districtmount san jacinto spinland empire districtsan timoteo canyoninland empire districtwildwood canyonmarin districtangel island spmarin districtchina camp spmarin districtmount tamalpais spmarin districtolompali shpmarin districtsamuel p. taylor spmarin districttomales bay spmendocino districtcaspar headlands sbmendocino districtcaspar headlands snrmendocino districtgreenwood sbmendocino districthendy woods spmendocino districtjug handle snrmendocino districtmackerricher spmendocino districtmailliard redwoods snrmendocino districtmanchester spmendocino districtmendocino headlands spmendocino districtmontgomery woods snrmendocino districtnavarro river redwoods spmendocino districtpoint cabrillo light stationmendocino districtrussian gulch spmendocino districtschooner gulch sbmendocino districtvan damme spmendocino districtwestport-union landing sbmonterey districtandrew molera spmonterey districtcarmel river sbmonterey districtfort ord dunes spmonterey districtfremont peak spmonterey districtgarrapata spmonterey districthatton canyonmonterey districthenry w. coe spmonterey districtjohn little snrmonterey districtjulia pfeiffer burns spmonterey districtmarina sbmonterey districtmonterey sbmonterey districtmonterey shpmonterey districtmoss landing sbmonterey districtpfeiffer big sur spmonterey districtpoint lobos ranchmonterey districtpoint lobos snrmonterey districtpoint sur shpmonterey districtsalinas river sbmonterey districtsan juan bautista shpmonterey districtzmudowski sbnorth coast redwoods districtadmiral william standley sranorth coast redwoods districtazalea snrnorth coast redwoods districtbenbow lake sranorth coast redwoods districtdel norte coast redwoods spnorth coast redwoods districtfort humboldt shpnorth coast redwoods districtgrizzly creek redwoods spnorth coast redwoods districtharry a. merlo sranorth coast redwoods districthumboldt lagoons spnorth coast redwoods districthumboldt redwoods spnorth coast redwoods districtjedediah smith redwoods spnorth coast redwoods districtjohn b. dewitt redwoods snrnorth coast redwoods districtlittle river sbnorth coast redwoods districtpatrick's point spnorth coast redwoods districtpelican sbnorth coast redwoods districtprairie creek redwoods spnorth coast redwoods districtreynolds wcnorth coast redwoods districtrichardson grove spnorth coast redwoods districtsinkyone wilderness spnorth coast redwoods districtsmithe redwoods snrnorth coast redwoods districtstandish-hickey sranorth coast redwoods districttolowa dunes spnorth coast redwoods districttrinidad sbnorthern buttes districtahjumawi lava springs spnorthern buttes districtanderson marsh shpnorthern buttes districtbidwell mansion shpnorthern buttes districtbidwell-sacramento river spnorthern buttes districtcastle crags spnorthern buttes districtcolusa-sacramento river sranorthern buttes districtmcarthur-burney falls memorial spnorthern buttes districtshasta shpnorthern buttes districtweaverville joss house shpnorthern buttes districtwilliam b. ide adobe shpnorthern buttes districtwoodson bridge sraoceano dunes districtpismo sbrussian river districtarmstrong redwoods snrrussian river districtaustin creek srarussian river districtfort ross shprussian river districtkruse rhododendron snrrussian river districtsalt point sprussian river districtsonoma coast spsan diego coast districtborder field spsan diego coast districtcarlsbad sbsan diego coast districtsan pasqual battlefield shpsan diego coast districtsilver strand sbsan diego coast districttorrey pines sbsan diego coast districttorrey pines snrsan luis obispo coast districtestero bluffs spsan luis obispo coast districthearst san simeon spsan luis obispo coast districtlimekiln spsan luis obispo coast districtlos osos oaks snrsan luis obispo coast districtmontao_aa de oro spsan luis obispo coast districtmorro bay spsan luis obispo coast districtmorro strand sbsan luis obispo coast districtwilliam randolph hearst memorial sbsanta cruz districtao_ao nuevo snrsanta cruz districtao_ao nuevo spsanta cruz districtbean hollow sbsanta cruz districtbig basin redwoods spsanta cruz districtburleigh h. murray ranchsanta cruz districtbutano spsanta cruz districtcastle rock spsanta cruz districtcastro adobe (rancho san andres)santa cruz districtgray whale cove sbsanta cruz districthalf moon bay sbsanta cruz districthenry cowell redwoods spsanta cruz districtlighthouse field sbsanta cruz districtmanresa sbsanta cruz districtmontara sbsanta cruz districtnatural bridges sbsanta cruz districtnew brighton sbsanta cruz districtpescadero sbsanta cruz districtpoint montara light stationsanta cruz districtpomponio sbsanta cruz districtportola redwoods spsanta cruz districtsan gregorio sbsanta cruz districtsanta cruz mission shpsanta cruz districtseacliff sbsanta cruz districtsunset sbsanta cruz districtthe forest of nisene marks spsanta cruz districtthornton sbsanta cruz districttwin lakes sbsanta cruz districtwilder ranch spsierra districtbodie shpsierra districtburton creek spsierra districtd.

  l. bliss spsierra districtdonner memorial spsierra districted z'berg sugar pine point spsierra districtemerald bay spsierra districtempire mine shpsierra districtgrover hot springs spsierra districtkings beach srasierra districtlake valley srasierra districtmalakoff diggins shpsierra districtmono lake tufa snrsierra districtplumas-eureka spsierra districtsouth yuba river spsierra districttahoe srasierra districtward creeksierra districtwashoe meadows sptehachapi districtantelope valley ca poppy reserve (snr)tehachapi districtantelope valley indian museumtehachapi districtarthur b. ripley desert woodland sptehachapi districtcolonel allensworth shptehachapi districtfort tejon shptehachapi districtprovidence mountains sratehachapi districtred rock canyon sptehachapi districtsaddleback butte sptehachapi districttomo-kahni shptehachapi districttule elk snr .

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  daniel-p

  The above is sort of old news, in that no one really takes that "closure list" seriously. It's a case of Arnie causing a panic among State citizens to raise the pressure for legislatures to reach a deal. My local County BoS made a statement that in the event of the State closing their parks they would try to reach a deal with the State to manage the parks themselves. But it looks like it won't even come to that. Here's a newer take:

  Some California State Parks likely to close - Lawmakers vote Thursday

  Following months of deliberation, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and leaders from both parties announced late Monday that a 'deal' may have been reached to close California's $26 billion dollar budget gap. The proposed deal must still be passed by a 2/3 majority of both houses. These votes will likely occur on Thursday of this week.

  The impasse, giving rise to this most recent overdue proposal, was that republican lawmakers refused agree to raise taxes to solve the budget crisis, while Democrats fought to retain services, including health care for low-income children.

  The details of the budget 'deal' were, apparently, struck in a closed door session lasting late into the evening on Monday. These leaders declined to release the details of the deal until they have an opportunity to brief their respective party caucases. They did, however, disclose that some state parks will have to close, but the vast majority of the 220 initially scheduled to be shut down will remain open.

  An Assembly staffer explained today that in the event the current proposal is passed, the California State Department of Parks and Recreation will be alloted a certain reduced budget. Faced with this reduction, the department will then undergo a cost vs. benefit analysis as a means of deciding which parks will need to be closed. It is possible, according to this staffer, that this process will take months.

  The following parks were initially slated for closure by the governor: California State Capitol Museum, Governor's Mansion State Historic Park, Leland Stanford Mansion State Historic Park, State Indian Museum State Historic Park, Sutter's Fort State Historic Park, D. L. Bliss State Park, Donner Memorial State Park, Ed Z'berg Sugar Pine Point State Park, Emerald Bay State Park, Empire Mine State Historic Park and Kings Beach State Recreation Area.
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  Mental Illness with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Hope4Others in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this presentation goes over jerry bergman's research on mental illness with jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes over 8 different research projects conducted by different doctors.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbxtvuat1g.

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  daniel-p

  If medication is so helpful, it must be that depression is a chemical imbalance rather than an environmental complication.

  Not always. Believe it or not, some popular drugs are only as effective as placebo.
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  Mental Illness with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Hope4Others in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this presentation goes over jerry bergman's research on mental illness with jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes over 8 different research projects conducted by different doctors.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbxtvuat1g.

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  daniel-p

  Back in the 90s there was this wave of JW women being diagnosed, or diagnosing themselves, with Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). It was like all the sudden everyone was realizing they had been molested or abused in the past, and they were caught up in discovering suppressed memories.

  I think it was a perfect storm situation, where the witnesses, who are statistically more likely to exhibit mental illness, being extra vulnerable to various trend methods of secular therapy.

  Any thoughts on this?
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  Insane Email From My JW Mother

  by daniel-p in

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  2. friends

  she starts out with some banal stuff about where they want to move, etc, then, she launches into this:.

  that brings up something i wanted to tell you in person but itseems that i am not going to be able to do that very soon.

  i amhoping to throw some light on what has happened within our familyesp during the time we were over there.. it has become very apparent to us now that during that time period from early spring on, in 200[x], satan launched an all-out attack on our family, son.

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  daniel-p

  I was chatting with an old friend and everytime there was anything going on, it was an attack from Satan. Family members, work, traffic, constipation etc etc. An attack from Satan.

  Yep. And this paranoia even seems to overshadow the supposed benefits from Jehovah! I hear much more about how Satan is doing this and Satan is doing that, than I do about how good Jehovah is.
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  Book-Burning in Wisconsin

  by daniel-p in

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  the colossal stupidity of some people amazes me.

  here we have people worried that homosexuals are being portrayed as people, and demanding that such young adult books be labelled as sexually explicit.

  in classic religiously-deranged fashion, the ignoramuses ignore the actual message of a book, rather choosing to vilify and marginalize those of other beliefs.. http://www.cnn.com/2009/us/07/22/wisconsin.book.row/.

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  daniel-p

  will someone build a theater or an amusement park or a buffet to occupy these people

  I'm thinking opction C would be most effective.
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  Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith

  by whereami in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think the wts would except this?.

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  http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_n.htm?csp=usat.me.

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  daniel-p

  Just more proof that A-theism defined in itself as 'not a believer in God' is a religion in itself.

  Why even care? Does it threaten you in some way?
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  Book-Burning in Wisconsin

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the colossal stupidity of some people amazes me.

  here we have people worried that homosexuals are being portrayed as people, and demanding that such young adult books be labelled as sexually explicit.

  in classic religiously-deranged fashion, the ignoramuses ignore the actual message of a book, rather choosing to vilify and marginalize those of other beliefs.. http://www.cnn.com/2009/us/07/22/wisconsin.book.row/.

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  daniel-p

  Another great story to pass on Family Values to children is the one where the father got drunk and knocked up his two young daughters because they couldn't find husbands of their own. A good-ol-fashioned family pity fuck.

  Or the one about the wife being savagely raped and then dismembered and sent out in all different directions as a means of announcing war. Yep. What family-strengthening message!
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  A good friend of mine was df'd this week.

  by wha happened? in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a good friend of mine was df'd this week.

  he did so much for this organization.

  as an accomplished musician and composer, he has contributed so much over the years.his work is in most of the homes of an avg jw.

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  daniel-p

  No he's not at all "in mentally". He and his wife were inactive for some time and had no interest to come back in. Apparently the CO came in and pressured the BOE.

  I made that point to my wife, that depending on the elders and the CO, it can happen to anyone.

  What were the circumstances of his DFing? If he was inactive, why did the BOE bring out the pitchforks?