This is the way I see it: For two thousand years people have been arguing if Jesus was God or not, based on what the Bible says. There is no conlusion to the argument. It was never settled. It still rages on, with both sides claiming victory. I think that if anyone had any measure of conclusive scriptural evidence, it would have seen the light of day by now.
daniel-p
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Would a definite article prove that Jesus is God?
by solafide infrom what i've studied of jw's, john 1:1 is interpreted as "and the logos was (a) god".
therefore, because there is no definite article in john 1:1 for example, one supposedly cannot confirm that jesus is referred to as "the god".
so my question for the jw is "what if jesus were reffered to with a definite article in the nt"?
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Debunking the WTS view of apostasy
by Awakened at Gilead injust created a new video that uses the bible to show how jw's claims about apostates lack biblical basis.. your comments are welcome.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eg219nkire.
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daniel-p
... another hard-to-accept set of facts for R to ignore.
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If there's some good in the Watchtower, why leave it?
by AlmostAtheist inthe post about crisis of conscience in which the poster said he knows there's some bad in the watchtower (as brought out in coc), but there's some good in it too got me to wondering about people that stay for the good in it.. the united states makes some decisions as a country that i don't agree with, perhaps even object strongly to.
but i don't disavow my citizenship.
it's mostly a good place to live, so i stay.. if you want to live in a way that utterly conflicts with the watchtower -- homosexual, multiple sex partners, smoking, whatever -- then you have reason to leave.
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daniel-p
What about intent? If I'm served a sandwich with a human hair in it, I'm not going to go apeshit because I know it was just an accident and it's no big deal. If my religion lies to me, I will go apeshit, because I trusted them and I was deliberately taken advantage of.
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Are only males labeled sexual "perverts"?
by The Berean inhave you ever heard a female referred to as a "pervert"?.
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daniel-p
What about that one trailer park woman who committed that heinous crime against her daughter's 5 year old friend. That was just about the sickest, most perverted crime a person could commit.
Plus, my local Megan's Law registry has a woman on it.
I think it's much less common, but any gender can be sick and perverted.
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The Last Warning
by cameo-d indid i read somewhere that wt is putting out "the last warning"?.
was it assembly topic or something?.
does this mean they will shut up now?.
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daniel-p
Of course, if Armageddon does happen, then we're all $&%*ed. Better get out in the ministry brother! Get your "last minute repenting" shoes shined and dust off that book bag. We're gonna wrastle up some sheep!!!
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The Last Warning
by cameo-d indid i read somewhere that wt is putting out "the last warning"?.
was it assembly topic or something?.
does this mean they will shut up now?.
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daniel-p
It's always a "last warning." Ever since their oft-referred-to 607 BCE.
I honestly don't think they could pull it off. They don't have it in 'em anymore--not the rank and file. I think a lot of JWs just wouldn't really take it seriously and carry on as before. The rest would take this as affirmation of some bullshit "sifting of the chaff" or whatever, but when it's all over and done with those same people will be so dissillusioned they'll willingly have one foot in the grave as they see their pathetic lives come to an end for a publishing company.
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What is the Witness view of seeking psychological help and medication?
by Leprechaun inits been so long since i was involved with the policies of the witnesss.
i just have not kept track of their grandiose wise views, (snicker) concerning this subject.
so any input or attachments would be appreciated.
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daniel-p
There are dozens of people in every congregation on some kind of therapuetic regimen, be it drugs or counseling. It's defintely TABOO, but the elders probably won't harrass anyone for pursuing their own treatment, as long as it doesn't involve hypnosis. With that said, even though they demonize hypnosis (which actually is proven to work), they permit all sorts of metaphysical "alternative" therapies which have much deeper roots in fruity arcana than hypnosis.
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Insane Email From My JW Mother
by daniel-p inshe starts out with some banal stuff about where they want to move, etc, then, she launches into this:.
that brings up something i wanted to tell you in person but itseems that i am not going to be able to do that very soon.
i amhoping to throw some light on what has happened within our familyesp during the time we were over there.. it has become very apparent to us now that during that time period from early spring on, in 200[x], satan launched an all-out attack on our family, son.
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It seems to me that this is family stuff that has no place on an internet forum.
LOL. Half the content on JWD is "family stuff that has no place on an internet forum."
Also, does this really make sense?: "We cannot judge an organization by what one lady writes to her son, even though they are responsible for the beliefs that led her to write what she did."
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Insane Email From My JW Mother
by daniel-p inshe starts out with some banal stuff about where they want to move, etc, then, she launches into this:.
that brings up something i wanted to tell you in person but itseems that i am not going to be able to do that very soon.
i amhoping to throw some light on what has happened within our familyesp during the time we were over there.. it has become very apparent to us now that during that time period from early spring on, in 200[x], satan launched an all-out attack on our family, son.
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THe more I read her email the more I get pissed off about it, of course. THere's so much that pisses me off royally, perhaps most of all that last dig about MY WIFE and implying that she must be going through such a rough time with me being inactive. FUCKING BULLSHIT
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Insane Email From My JW Mother
by daniel-p inshe starts out with some banal stuff about where they want to move, etc, then, she launches into this:.
that brings up something i wanted to tell you in person but itseems that i am not going to be able to do that very soon.
i amhoping to throw some light on what has happened within our familyesp during the time we were over there.. it has become very apparent to us now that during that time period from early spring on, in 200[x], satan launched an all-out attack on our family, son.
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daniel-p
So here's what she sent early this morning. What should I say back? As anticipatred, she's become defensive very fast, and trying to psychoanalyze why I went inactive. Should I continue to give it to her "straight"? Or just basically acknowledge her and ignore it? Here's what she has to say:
You should've seen the special by John Stossel on 20/20 that I saw some time back, well, this past year. He went through the whole college-university thing and said the same thing, but more so. He showed a bunch of 'em and interviewed people and it was all on how so many of them just rip people off cuz they know that most people don't even belong there and they way overcharge and folks end up w/ nothing and huge debts. Then he went into the jobs that are really out there and they are mainly the ones which provide services for people, the medical fields and so forth. He pointed out that it used to be 'going to college' was what promised so much and so 'has it'? In essence, we have been duped. Now, do you feel that he's a hypocrite too? He reported on what he saw and found out by 'researching'. You know when you listen to one of these shows that it may not be true for every person, don't you? So, when our brothers give us guidance in these areas, can't the same thing be true? Just a little UNbiased reasoning will tell you this. Also my faith has been reaffirmed yet again as the Gov Body patiently teaches the brothers not to think in "black & white" terms. That is something that you should be able to relate to. Recall the problems on circumcision in the 1st century. There were strong feelings and many did not agree w/ those taking the lead. Remember how it was settled? There was a meeting by that Body back then. Some were clinging to the old law, weren't they? Just like now, son, some cling to the old ways. We have to ignore that & let Jehovah adjust them. At an assembly, there was a talk on education. I have felt it is definitely a personal decision and that some have to do this and I have waited as I knew the Brothers would restore the balance to the congregations. The talk was presented in a very humble, loving tone and manner. We could tell that this was deliberate; in other words, not just the demeanor of the speaker. What he said boiled down to remembering that our theocratic ed. is first and our secular is second. More good advice was, if you need to take some college courses try to make sure they will help your secular pursuits. Very loving especially for those who have no parents. We may forget that there are many brothers and sisters who don't have family guidance or anyone they can trust in their lives to help them at all. They are very grateful for this. If the F&DS was not watching over the Christ's "belongings" & so dedicated to preaching the Good News, I would know nothing about Jehovah and the Paradise. I will be eternally grateful that they are faithfully 'on the watch' son. You have not lived one day in this world without knowing the true God, His Son, your purpose in life, why there is suffering and so forth. But I lived 22 yrs w/o knowing any of this. As you know, others have lived much longer than that w/o real hope. My first green Bible was so worn it became like pages of cloth. I loved it's precious pearls of truth that always spoke to my heart. I was never taught anything in any of the churches or Sunday schools I attended. Only Jehovah's Witnesses took the time & effort to show me what was in my own Bible all that time--indeed, all of these generations. And when I study those Insight Bks and WTs, it is so crystal clear WHO has God's Spirit. It's just as the Ethiopian enuch said "how can I learn without someone to guide me?" And so all of the people who are listening as we merely open the pages of their Bibles or show a dvd to the deaf ones are rejoicing loud & clear, cuz now they know the suffering will end. How could they have any 'spirituality' sitting home all alone with no knowledge of the One who gives it son? You have no desire because you are so weak. When a person cuts off their feeding tube they will starve and they have no desire to eat. When I miss meetings or service my desire wanes. But this is due to the imperfect flesh and to Satan. And If I really allow negative thoughts to consume me I have a much harder time. And I have noticed in the past few years, the battle is getting fiercer for certain. He uses everything against us to ruin our relationship w/ Jehovah becuz he hates him and he hates us. He has no compassion for anyone and no mercy. Do not become like him be allowing your heart to stay hardened son. Son, I don't believe this is when you began feeling that way. I think it started way before, perhaps back to Bethel. Your heart is treacherous and is the one organ in you that demands to be heard. It does not want any pain and it will lie to you saying to 'blame' 'this' or 'that' when in reality it is covering up it's own depths. I believe there is pain down deep in your heart. Perhaps it is pain of feeling rejected? not measuring up? of failure in your eyes? Maybe you feel that Jehovah failed you or that you let Him down, I don't know. But I do think it may be tied up w/ the "father", whichever one, I don't know. From 2000 - 2002 you had so much trial and trauma and stress. I don't think you realize the pressure and drain it was on you mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually son. And after you received that radiation on your poor body then you were married and moved again. I did not feel you were prepared for marriage yet [daniel-p]. But you needed a companion and there she was. When you got your reappointment I know you were very happy about it as you told me and so I was too. But as I knew you were doing out-going talks and all, I honestly felt it was too much. After all, you were trying to learn to be a husband and trying to find some work. It was too much and I wish it could've been different in that respect. Knowing how those trials work on the body and mind, I was worried that everything would end up kind of 'backfiring' on you. I feel that you were exhausted emotionally and spiritually but that's when you moved to [where you live now]. When 'the time' came up, I think you 'exploded' inside and walked away. It was the vehicle used for something that had been brewing. Yes, the 'spirituality' should have been 'your own'. So why wasn't it? Somehow, somewhere Jehovah got put in 2nd place. I also think you have a problem with trust and by that I mean it is hard for you to trust even Jehovah to take care of you. Maybe this came about after your hardships as those things can perplex and confuse. You told me "I don't know Mom. The whole time I was sick I was so disillusioned." I took this to me in a spiritual way. Was I right? you must have felt like He had left you maybe? I know it was very, very hard. I know you were terribly frightened as were we. Did you know much of the time I spent right outside the ICU doors lying on a very hard and very small bench? Bro Rainey was wonderful wasn't he and do you know he was just 30 yrs old? I can only hope & pray as I have been for these past many years that you step back into the 'race' son. That you return to that precious place, the only place on the earth where Jehovah is really worshipped, where people are at least trying to discern and do God's will, where these people are there for one another and where there is true joy. Don't listen to people who have no idea of who we are..and don't listen to those whose pride has taken them over and whose hearts are hard w/ anger and bitterness. After all, [daniel-p], Jesus taught us to forgive and to be merciful. Why aren't they? I hope you will pray to Jehovah for help son, to see the TRUTH once again and that He soften your heart so that it will listen to His Word, for I see you have even lost sight of where we are in the stream of time,,and probably you no longer believe in the Paradise that He has promised? I pray hard for [your wife], that she is able to maintain her own faith and that someday her dream of pioneering will come true. Mom