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  Why is the GB so concerned with the well-being of the accused in matters of sexual abuse?

  by paradisebeauty in

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  i'm reading some documents from the royal commission and i don't get it, why so much concern for the accused and his reputation???

  i'm starting to think maybe some gb members have things like this in their past, because a normal human being would not take the side of a sexual predator over a child....united states branche x e c u t i v e o f f i c e sto watch tower societyaustraliagsc/as january 21, 1999 no.

  176sit is understood that if the law requires elders to report cases of child abuse, they should complywith the law and do so.

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  I've just got off the phone with my mother. She related a story to me regarding a child abuser who was in her congregation, the child abuser had to appear in court and guess what? All the elders rallied around the abuser so the verdict was non proven!

  This seams to be a systematic problem across the board the guilty party gets all the support whilst the innocent victim is told to shut up and stop causing trouble! We have to be mindful that most abusers are usually sociopathic narcissists who very good at playing people. They are very adept at playing the victim convincingly and have a knack at being in the right place at the right time. In other words, say a victim decides to quite rightly retaliate, you can be damb sure the abuser will have others within earshot so that the victim then looks and sounds like the abuser! This then gives the impression the victim is a trouble maker. Not only that, even approaching the elders on someone's bad behaviour can have the victim be labeled as a trouble maker. For the innocent party it's a lose lose situation which leaves the innocent party questioning themselves :(
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  Have you preyed?

  by username in

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  2. scandals

  i thought i'd post something that breaks from the ongoing australian slaughter house lol.. so let's pretend we are doing the new thursday night item that has replaced local needs.

  how has jehovah helped you?

  (translated you should be effing thankfull to us 7 men!

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  I thought I'd post something that breaks from the ongoing Australian slaughter house lol.

  So let's pretend we are doing the new Thursday night item that has replaced local needs. How has Jehovah helped you? (Translated you should be effing thankfull to us 7 men!)

  I remember the COBE was doing a talk and he said before the meeting he could not get his tie to work properly (tie) so he said a prayer to jehovah and hey presto his tie miraculously tied properly! Even back then when I was still a fully paid up member I was thinking WTF!!!

  So let's have your crazy comments then. Let the fun begin :)
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  Governing Body Response to Royal Australian Commission?????

  by notoneoftheboys in

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  2. child-abuse

  it may have been posted already, however can anyone tell me if the gb has responded in any way to the issues going on in australia, either vague references or tv.

  thx.

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  Well the top news on jw.borg is a family being honoured for saving another family from a burning care. Propaganda at its worst!

  No bad news jw.borg, only something that resembles a north Korean publicity agent with a gun at their head!
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  Will Vincent Toole speak the truth to the Royal commission?

  by Splash in

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  2. child-abuse

  vincent toole has a history of stating blatant untruths in order to protect the wt.. he is recorded as once saying that shunning was "a myth".. i wonder how linguistically pedantic will he get, and how much double-speak will he employ in order to defend the current wt policies.

  my guess is he will try to twist the senior counsel in knots with wordy responses, in the hope they will simply run out of time.. if this fails then i'm expecting some howlers of deception..

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  Is there a part 5 in Spinks vs the commission?
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  I sent this to Angus Stewart this morning (Easter Standard Time)

  by Viviane in

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  i just sent this email to angus stewart:.

  i hope this email finds you well.

  i would like to say thank you for your work on the royal commission, particularly in your handling of the jehovah's witnesses elders and experts during questioning.

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  This will motivate the commission so much. We can just see how much they are enjoying ripping apart the very fabric of the watchtower.

  They certainly take no prisoner and don't fall for the watchtowers bullshit. How Angus and the crew could actually sit through all the watchtower junk I have no idea, it certainly takes a brave man to sit down and look through the jargon!

  All this exposure is doing is showing the watchtower to be a high control dangerous cult. Impacted more today by the refusal of Jackson giving evidence.

  I do feel actually making it public knowledge that Jackson didn't want to get involved was a deliberate move. This is due to the uncooperative nature of all the elders. The watchtower still think they are untouchable, they are finding out extremely fast that Australia don't take fools gladly.
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  Will Vincent Toole speak the truth to the Royal commission?

  by Splash in

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  2. child-abuse

  vincent toole has a history of stating blatant untruths in order to protect the wt.. he is recorded as once saying that shunning was "a myth".. i wonder how linguistically pedantic will he get, and how much double-speak will he employ in order to defend the current wt policies.

  my guess is he will try to twist the senior counsel in knots with wordy responses, in the hope they will simply run out of time.. if this fails then i'm expecting some howlers of deception..

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  Has anyone been in touch with the commission about Tool? It does seam the exJW community are being listened to be the commission so maybe a tip off to the commission could be advantageous; )
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  Chant to Geoffrey J.

  by JustVisting in

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  hey, hey geoffrey j,.

  will you testify today?.

  hey, hey geoffrey j,.

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  Exactly what I was thinking Litebrite. Who gives a flying fuck about Jackson's compassionate needs. This selfish prick has not even thought about all the trauma so many have gone through. Once again another governing body member slime's out of coming forward.

  This is actually doing damage to the org, I can't see how anyone could view it any other way. Ultimately it's about control of the rank and file. if word got out Jackson had appeared before the commission I think the watchtower would start losing control of the rank and file!
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  Governing Body member is in Australia right now!

  by Anonymous1 in

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  2. child-abuse

  sorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.

  i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.

  he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.

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  Not a set up at all, my feeling is Jackson is there in the background so to speak to keep abreast of proceedings. There is no way watchtower would announce a member of the governing body is in Australia conveniently at the time of the investigation! Can you imagine the suspicion this would create if people knew he was in the country, not to mention the press attention he would get being one of the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses!

  
  
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  Baker misses opertunity re no part of this world

  by Diogenesister in

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  2. beliefs

  why did disfellowshipped ex elder baker not explain why the elders have not informed themselves about the royal commission ?

  mr stewart gave him the opertunity to explain the "no part of this world" doctrine, he merely expressed surprise that they had not informed themselves as if it were a personal foible of those particular elders.

  it would have been a great opertunity to express disgust at the distain and uncaring attitude the society exhibits toward its worldly neighbours, i also believe him to be out of date re superior authority doctrine ..giving creedence to the lie the jw's are good and productive members of society.

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  I have a suspicion this guy has been pressured into giving his false statement of events. He did say he was disfellowshipped so I wonder if the heavies actually blackmailed him into a corner!
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  boom!

  by username in

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  just before the morning adjournment in the australian proceedings the judge played an absolute blinder.. he asked the elder as in deuteronomy would the jehovah's witnesses stone a woman for committing adultery?!

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  Sorry I should have explained it better. During the questioning of Ron de Roy de Roy mentioned using Deuteronomy and the fact the witnesses do take the scriptures literal. The judge the went on to say in accordance to Deuteronomy would Jehovah's witnesses also stone a woman for adulterery!

  Basically the judge pulled out an ace card lol.