Would somone make sure that You Know sees this? Might shake his faith in his hero Lyndon LaDouchebag. After all the Org said it, must be true.
Anton
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where else but in the awake could we see a condemantion of predictions while also justifyng their failure?.
Would somone make sure that You Know sees this? Might shake his faith in his hero Lyndon LaDouchebag. After all the Org said it, must be true.
Anton
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ii think this board is a perfekt place to speak about this very bigg problem.. i grow upp in a jw family in 1960 when flower power was a bigg thing, many of these who try canabis, marijuana, ended upp dead, and for mee it was not even in my wildest fantsy to tke this things.. today this is a very bigg problem , even among jw i think, it is not easy to find your children use this stuff, and also defending it and try to tell that it is much more dangerus widh two ore three drinks on satterday evning.. i have two boys who almost worshipp this drugg canabis , and say it open your mind, helping you to see things as they realy are.. perhaps some here have expiriens how you as a parent must akt, i have never hitt my children, i heve never force them to bee a jw, ofcourse this is a very bigg problem , for mee, and i think fore many who have been involvd.
inn sweden it is a crime to use this or to sell it, i now in some other countrys it is not forbidden, so if some one want to give some addvice, thank you.
I would definately agree that moderation is the key here. With the exception of anything that requires injection, I have tried just about about every mind altering substance I could find. Everything from mild euphorics such as Kava-Kava, to hardcore stimulants such as methamphedamines and cocaine, as well as mild to heavy hallucinigenics. While I would not advocate this sort of experimentation to anyone, for me it has definately been an educational experience.
It is my personal conclusion that no drug is inherently evil or destructive. What is destructive, is our lack of moderation. Not just with drugs, but with all things that bring any sort of discernable pleasure. Throughout the western world (the lands of plenty) we find that 60% of the population is overweight, and 25% are morbidly obese. The same people that can't say no to that extra slice of pizza or to the offer to "Super-size" thir fast food meal, are the same people who want that next line of cocaine, or just a few more drinks before the bar closes. This is of course at the point before physical addiction sets in.
I have a teenaged son, and instead of worring about prohibiting the use of this substance or that, I am focusing on teaching him about moderation and self control.
In conclusion, the policy of "Just say No" has been a dismal failure, as it's only outcome has been to make the forbidden more alluring, and therefore much more tempting to overindulge in any given substance when available.
Just my opinion of course,
Anton
we had a thread started way back that has gone on for 11 or more pages, so i thought i'd start up a new one.
who's your jw.com crush?
are you game to tell us?.
Geeez more utter bulshit. Prisca don'd you have anything better to do than starting another thread that causes people anguish. This is so f***ing sick. Think I'll find another board.
Anton
inquiring minds want to know who out there is single.
lets see if we can hook anyone up.
how about a love connection on the jwd.
38 and single (permanently).
Never figured out what romantic love is or what it's supposed to feel like, and at this point I really no longer care to find out. As far physical relationships are concerned, I have learned to become completley self-sufficiant. In the words of Simon and Garfunkle "I am a rock, I am an island."
Anton
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional"
okay, since i've been attending a new church, i've had the opportunity to sit on three committees.
i've gone hog wild and volunteered for everything trying to make up for all the years that i couldn't do anything as a female in the kh.
anyway, last night i stirred the shit in one of the meetings by voicing my opinion on how something in the church is run.
The Apostle Paul was repressing his homosexuality, this took form in his mysogonistic views of women.
Just my opinion.
Anton
i just had an interesting conversation with my 19 year old cousin who just da'd himself today.
we were discussing stuff and things when he made a remark that took me off guard.
we were discussing the borg's stand on the internet.
Yesterday I showed some of my friends at work (who know nothing about the JW's) the following thread on jwzone.org . The response was great. Chuckles, giggles, and guffaws all around. Along with "Is this for real?", "This is a joke, right?"
Hey Bleep, You Know, Comforter, post some of your JW appologist stuff. My friends can't wait for another good laugh.
Anton
this morning there was a knock at my door.
hank's ass.
dictated hank says hank is always right.
This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I
found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:
John: Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary.
Mary: Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us.
Me: Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I
want to kiss his ass?
John: If you kiss Hank's ass, he'll give you a million dollars; and if
you don't, he'll kick the shit out of you.
Me: What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?
John: Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank
owns this town. He can do whatever he wants, and what he wants is to give
you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass.
Me: That doesn't make any sense. Why...
Mary: Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million
dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?
Me: Well maybe, if it's legit, but...
John: Then come kiss Hank's ass with us!
Me: Do you kiss Hank's ass often?
Mary: Oh yes, all the time...
Me: And has he given you a million dollars?
John: Well... no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town.
Me: So why don't you just leave town now?
Mary: You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money
and he kicks the shit out of you.
Me: Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the
million dollars?
John: My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year,
and I'm sure she got the money.
Me: Haven't you talked to her since then?
John: Of course not! Hank doesn't allow it.
Me: So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've
never talked to anyone who got the money?
Mary: Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get
a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty
dollar bill on the street.
Me: What's that got to do with Hank?
John: Hank has certain 'connections.'
Me: I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game.
John: But it's a million dollars, can your really take the chance? And
remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you.
Me: Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from
him.
Mary: No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank.
Me: Then how do you kiss his ass?
John: Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of his ass. Other
times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on.
Me: Who's Karl?
Mary: A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing
Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out ot dinner a few times.
Me: And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that
Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?
John: Oh no! Do you think we're fools? Karl has a letter he got from
Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for
yourself.
From the Desk of...Karl
*****
1. Kiss hank's ass and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave
town.
2. Drink alcohol only in moderation.
3. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.
4. Eat right.
5. Hank dictated this list himself.
6. The moon is made of green cheese.
7. Everything Hank says is right.
8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
9. Don't drink alcohol.
10. Eat your wieners on buns; no condiments.
11. Kiss Hank's ass or he'll kick the shit out of you.
Me: This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead, not Hank's.
Mary: Hank didn't have any paper.
Me: I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's
handwriting too.
John: Of course! Hank dictated it.
Me: I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?
Mary: Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people.
Me: I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of
philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're
different?
Mary: It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right.
Me: How do you figure that?
Mary: Item 7 says "Everything Hank says is right." That's good enough
for me!
Me: Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up.
John: No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides,
items 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and
item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows
those things are right, so the rest must be true, too.
Me: But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2,
and 6 ways 'The moon is made of green chese,' which is just plain wrong.
John: There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As
far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure.
Me: Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of
rock...
Mary: But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer
space, so it could just as easily be green cheese.
Me: Not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese. And I'm
not an expert, but I think the scientific theory that the Moon came from
the Earth has been discounted.
John: Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know
Hank is always right!
Me: We do?
Mary: Of course we do, Item 5 says so.
Me: You're saying Hank's always right because in the list that Hank
dictated Hank says Hank is always right. That's circular reasoning!
John: Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come
around to Hank's way of thinking.
Me: But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with the wieners?
(Mary blushes)
John: Wieners go in buns, with no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything
else is immoral.
Me: What if I don't have a bun?
John: No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong.
Me: No relish? No Mustard?
(Mary looks positively stricken.)
John: (shouting) There's no need for such language! Condiments of any
kind are wrong!
Me: So a big pile of sauerkraut with some weiners chopped up in it would
be out of the question?
Mary: (Sticking her fingers in her ears.) I am not listening to this.
La la la la la la la la.
John: That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat...
Me: It's good! I eat it all the time.
(Mary faints.)
John: (Catching Mary.) Well, if I'd known you were one of those I
wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hanks kicks the shit out of you I'll
be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you,
you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater.
(With this, John drags Mary to their waiting car, and speeds off.)
i just had an interesting conversation with my 19 year old cousin who just da'd himself today.
we were discussing stuff and things when he made a remark that took me off guard.
we were discussing the borg's stand on the internet.
GRITS, my cousin got in a bit of trouble for showing his worldly friends some pro-JW websites to show them how twisted his religion is. Kids started talking, and word got back to CO's kid who passed on to his dad. My cousin decided to DA himself and move to San Jose before he got DF'd. The thoughts he expressed were entirely subjective based upon his experience. Still, I thought it was an interesting observation.
Ciao,
Anton
i just had an interesting conversation with my 19 year old cousin who just da'd himself today.
we were discussing stuff and things when he made a remark that took me off guard.
we were discussing the borg's stand on the internet.
I just had an interesting conversation with my 19 year old cousin who just DA'd himself today. We were discussing stuff and things when he made a remark that took me off guard. We were discussing the Borg's stand on the internet. He said: "Keeping us off the net isn't just to prevent us from reading things that might stumble us. There is as big of a fear of having some the brothers start their own web sites, and having the rest of the world find out how narrow minded, uneducated, and just downright ignorant most of the truly zealous ones really are."
When he said that, it made me think about some of the posters we have on this site who are staunch defenders of the "TRUTH". For the most part, they come off as narrow minded and ignorant as my cousin said. This also holds true for such sites as greatcrowd and such.
Now imagine your a householder on a Saturday morning. Those pesky but nice people come to your door peddling their second rate salvation. You take one of their little magazine to be polite, and close the door. Later in the day you get bored and decide to surf the net for a while, you happen to glance at the little magazine you've been to lazy to throw away and get curious. You start running a google search on Jehovah's Witnesses and the first 10-15 happen to be apostate sites. You see a whole bunch of folks venting about how awful things are inside the Organization, and you think "Well people who leave a religion are bound to harbor resentments ... ho hum." Now as your reading all about the atrocities that have occurred to various folks in many different lands, because they decided to think for themselves , you come across a post from someone like Bleep. Just as your thinking "If things were truly as bad as these folk make out, why would anyone stay?" you start reading Bleep's, or Comforter, or You Know's post. At first you start to snicker, then chuckle, and finally, as you bust out laughing you realize that the smart ones have left or been kicked out, and the ignorant have figured out how to use a computer.
So to you who cling to the "TRUTH", I applaud you. By all means keep posting. You provide a great point of reference for those in the world who would otherwise not believe the depth of your ignorance which is often alluded to by other posters. Thank you for proving our point in writing.
Ciao,
Anton
so how small does your "pee pee" have to be to stoop to bashing america on a jw support board?.
feeling rather put upon for america's sake, living in new york city, feeling like bashing in the brains of anyone who says that americans going about their daily routines "brought this (9/11) upon themselves".
i will always remember the day i looked out my window at work and saw over 3,000 people dying..
Somone who worships the Watchtower publishing empire is calling me ignorant, BWWWAAAAHAHAH. Hot damn miraclewheat, you made me spray beer out of my nose.
Anton