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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

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  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  cabasilas

  A serious issue?

  All I've proven is that I know when it's pointless to continue a discussion.

  Again, Merry Christmas!
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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  I can't agree this is a crime. Lighten up! :)
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  Which came first? (Prediction of 1914/1915 question)

  by FaithfulDoubter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, so quotes.watchtower.ca is down, but i had did have a question for you watchtower historians out there.

  was the 7 times prophecy from daniel used before or after the watchtower used the pyramids to predict 1914/1915?

  when was the date first mentioned, where, and in what matter?

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  cabasilas

  Try this link:

  Historical Publications

  Relating to Jehovah’s Witnesses

  Links to Sources & Articles Relating to Watchtower History

  http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/jwhistory.html

  It links a lot of WT publications which are online and explains the evolution of the chronological understandings.
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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  We have a creche in our home and the Magi are there too. I suppose one could make a mountain out of a molehill on this but I don't see the point. We know they weren't there at the birth...but Christmas celebrates all the events of Jesus' infancy.

  As to whether Catholics would consider if the star was satanic. Why should they? Christians have for centuries thought it was a divine sign. The idea it was satanic is of fairly recent origin. I doubt the idea can be traced back very far...perhaps only to 1978 when the My Book of "Bible" Stories was published.
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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  Nice pictures. Thanks for posting those.

  The underlying theme behind the visit of the Magi is that the birth of Jesus was not just for the Jewish people but for all people. So Catholics would say the star was of divine origin and not satanic. As for the names of the Magi...no one actually knows. We don't even know how many there were. The names traditionally assigned are from Christian literature way after the apostolic period. The names could be true but probably are imaginative. I suppose for JWs this is big stuff. As I said, Catholics are not overly-literal on such things.
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  Merry Christmas from Oregon!

  by Odrade in

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  roast is baking, the house smells great.

  we have our little tree and a fire in the fireplace.

  the dog is wearing sleighbells, and there's a wreath on the door.

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  Merry Christmas from Southern Oregon! Anyone here from the Grants Pass-Medford area?

  Cabasilas
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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  I wrote my earlier post just as I was getting ready to head down to Midnight Mass. Afterwards our family opened our presents and we didn't get to bed until after 3. So, life is just beginning to stir in our household.

  At Mass last night there was the manger scene to the left of the altar. In our parish (the third largest in the state of Oregon) there are no wise men. They are on the right side of the altar and will be joined with the rest of the characters of the creche at the Feast of the Magi on January 6th.

  I turned on EWTN (the Catholic cable channel) this morning and saw them portray the visit of the Magi. A narrator read the story and there were people playing the parts. The child who played Jesus was a toddler...I'd say around 2. This was no infant.

  At any rate, Catholics know this stuff and are not overly literal on such matters. We don't have a problem with conflating these events during our Christmas season (December 24th to January 6th).

  Again, wishing all a Merry Christmas!
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  Quotes - Press Release

  by wombat in

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  could someone compose a suitable press release that we could forward to our local media ?.

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  Thanks for the welcome! Like I said, it was just a quick put together. Feel free to expand or adapt it in any way!
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  Catholic "Manger Scene" misrepresents the facts!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove by the local catholic church this evening and happened to notice there was a manger scene set up out front of the church.

  flanking one side of the child's crib were mary, a few shepherds, and a cow.

  flanking the other side of the crib were joseph and the so-called "three wise men" (more accurately known as the magi).. after having seen this display it made me wonder whether or not the local catholics know that the magi did not make their visit while jesus was an infant lying in a manger.

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  cabasilas

  Yes, Catholics know about this. See, for example, this link from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09527a.htm

  For years I have not missed Midnight Mass and I can think of several years when this is discussed as part of the homily. For Catholics Christmas lasts until January 6th--the Feast of the Magi. We actually keep most of our decorations up until then...except usually our tree doesn't last that long!

  So, what you're seeing is the whole of the Christmas season telescoped together in a manger scene.

  BTW, have a Merry Christmas!
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  Quotes - Press Release

  by wombat in

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  2. scandals

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  could someone compose a suitable press release that we could forward to our local media ?.

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  cabasilas

  This is something I quickly put together. Feel free to adjust it in any way:
  
  Press Release: Jehovah's Witnesses Shut Down "Embarrassing" Website

  December 23, 2005 Toronto, Canada The Watchtower Society (parent organization for Jehovah's Witnesses) this week has shut down the whistle-blowing website http://quotes.watchtower.ca as part of the settlement of a lawsuit against its previous owner, Mr. Peter Mosier over supposed copyright infringement. The "Quotes" site contained quotes from Watchtower Society publications which they said were posted to "try to embarrass" them. [Background details and commentary on the lawsuit and an earlier radio interview with Mr. Mosier can be read at the following links: http://www.theopenpress.com /index.php?a=press&id=4153 http://romancatholicblog .typepad.com/roman_catholic _blog/2005/10/jehovahs_witnes .html http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks /8.30/relrpt/stories/s1501367 .htm] As part of the settlement to the lawsuit Mr. Mosier turned over all control of the website to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The site apparently was taken down by them on December 22nd. Although there was no admission of wrongdoing by Mr. Mosier, he felt the legal costs were such he needed to accept the settlement. Mr. Mosier explained his understanding of the settlement on an ex-Jehovah's Witness discussion board:
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness .com/11/104279/1.ashx The actual legal settlement can be read here: http://peter.mosier.ca/2005 _Watchtower_Mosier_Settlement _EXECUTED.pdf A mirror of the old "Quotes" site on the Internet Archive can still be seen here: http://web.archive.org/web /20041012012555/quotes.watchtow er.ca/ In his comment on the ex-Jehovah's Witness discussion board, Mr. Mosier says: "I am truly sorry that I have been forced to remove this resource due to [the] Watch Tower's persecution....I have long felt that the most damaging, most effective tool against [the] Watch Tower (or any other High Control Group) is to carefully and rationally study the group's words and works. [The Watchtower Society] thrives on information control, including controlling access to their own information -- not too much, not too soon. Clearly my site struck a nerve with the old men that control [the Watchtower Society.] Their Statement of Claim plainly stated that they feel that a collection of their own words can only have one purpose: to embarrass them. (BTW, I've never figured how they felt that, even if such a ridiculous claim were true, how it is relevant to a case of alleged copyright infringement! I didn't see any "embarrassment" clauses in the Copyright laws.) Perhaps one day another young Jedi Paduan, or old Jedi Master, will pick up the torch.
  
  
  The funny thing about squishing Cockroaches is they seem to be able to reproduce faster than you can squish them. You don't have to worry about the one you just squished, you have to worry about the 10,000 offspring hatching under the cupboard." The media office for the Watchtower Society can be contacted at: (718) 560-5600 [End of Press Release]