Actually, my recollection is that the Gilead students would take a "field trip" to the UN as part of their class. I heard this in the mid-70s. I don't think it illustrates anything about what happened later with the NGO thing.
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I'm coming to New York in May! :D
by Elsewhere inon may 9th and 10th i will be at a meeting in montvale nj for a work related meeting.
i should be able to take a few extra days off to hang out with anyone in the area!
:d. anyone want to make some plans to get together?
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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cabasilas
From: http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/onehope.html
"Jesus Has 'Other Sheep,' Earthly Sheep!"
John 10:16: "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd."
Traditional Christian belief has been that these other sheep are the Gentiles (starting in the first century) who would join Jewish believers and form one body of believers. Some say that Jesus was prophesying an earthly class to be formed nearly two thousand years later. Let's read something in the next chapter:
John 11:49-52: "But a certain one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them: 'You do not know anything at all, and you do not reason out that it is to your behalf for one man to die in behalf of the people and not for the whole nation to be destroyed.' This, though, he did not say of his own originality; but because he was high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was destined to die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but in order that the children of God who are scattered about he might gather together in one."
In the very next chapter John speaks of the Jewish nation and others 'not of that nation,' who would be gathered into one. Wouldn't it be more likely that these Gentiles would be the other sheep? (Compare Ephesians 2:11-22.)
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Studies In The Scriptures... any difference?
by Bryan inis there any difference between the printed years (different editions) for the studies in the scriptures series, other than the covers?
and to me it looks like rutherford was the one who put the winged globe on the cover, is that correct?
bryan
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cabasilas
Russell lists some of the changes in the March 1915 Watchtower:
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Russell/Towers/Zwt1915/WTMar15.PDF
in a section entitled: "Changes in Scriptures Studies." He also gives his reasons for the changes which, obviously had to be made.
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JWs an adventist offshoot?
by greendawn inisn't it correct to describe the jws as an adventist offshoot and therefore part of the wider protestant world?
they obviously have no connection to the apostolicc church despite their claims.
for example they got the 1914 date and the just once a year ritual of the bread and wine from the adventists so where do they really belong?
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cabasilas
Just a clarification:
Russell taught the resurrection of the anointed was in 1878, not 1881. See:
http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/kingdomcome/study9.html
What is even more interesting is to realize that Russell taught that Christ had actually returned to the earth in 1874, but invisibly. When the Bride of Christ was raised in 1878, they were not raised to heavenly life. They were raised to be with Christ here on earth since that was where he was at.
It wasn't until Rutherford's era where the Society started teaching that Christ never left heaven at his return. That was in about the 1920s when they started teaching a metaphorical return: "Jesus turned his attention to the earth."
Imagine all those anointed invisibly resurrected to walk the earth to be with Christ from 1878 until the 1920s and then to find out they had been dead until 1918 and were raised to heavenly life!
Talk about bizarre.
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JWs an adventist offshoot?
by greendawn inisn't it correct to describe the jws as an adventist offshoot and therefore part of the wider protestant world?
they obviously have no connection to the apostolicc church despite their claims.
for example they got the 1914 date and the just once a year ritual of the bread and wine from the adventists so where do they really belong?
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cabasilas
The first part of this webpage shows the Adventist (Second Adventist, not 7th Day Adventist) background of Russell's movement:
http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/jwhistory.html
The Second Adventists and the 7th Day Adventists were the two largest of the groups who descended from the Millerite movement.
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"That situation doesn't exist"
by cabasilas ini remembered these words and found them in the february 22, 1976 awake!, page 15. it's from an article entitled:.
how do you answer when your beliefs are challenged.
background from the article:.
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cabasilas
I remembered these words and found them in the February 22, 1976 Awake!, page 15. It's from an article entitled:
How
Do You Answer When Your Beliefs Are ChallengedBackground from the article:
A modern illustration of how Christian principles can be used effectively was presented on a television program seen in many parts of Canada. A representative of Jehovah’s witnesses was questioned about some of their more controversial beliefs at Ontario’s McMaster University. The amphitheater of this modern university was filled to capacity with about 400 students. Under bright TV lighting, the moderator, a prepared panel of three students, and other students from the audience probed the Witnesses. Portions of the transcript follow.
The Witness representative dealt with an objector on blood:
People often question the refusal of Jehovah’s witnesses to accept blood transfusions. During the questioning, a student raised hypothetical emergency situations in an effort to bypass the Scriptural prohibition mentioned in Acts 15:20, 29.
Student
: "Well, suppose somebody was just coming to the hospital. They’ve got a few seconds to live. The only possible way out is a blood transfusion. Well, what’s your answer to that? I mean, that’s murder if you don’t let them accept that."Witness
: "That situation doesn’t exist. Wherever there are cases where a person . . . let’s say comes in off the highway here . . . and there is extreme loss of blood. Every emergency room, in every hospital, has a plasma volume expander which can . . . "Student
: "Plasma doesn’t replace blood, though."Witness
: "The need there is to keep the volume up in the system. It’s not the blood so much that’s needed then, but the volume that must be replaced. These expanders will do it. They are used in emergency situations; they are recommended by Civil Defense organizations when blood is not available. Obviously it works—it has worked on thousands of Jehovah’s witnesses."I've known many Witnesses who think there really isn't a problem with their refusal of blood. They think the situation where someone might die in a crisis "does not exist." One reason they think this is because they've heard it from other Witnesses or from the Society itself. They think there is always some therapy or treatment which will be able to prevent a loss of life. Sometimes there is that treatment. But, sadly, sometimes there isn't.
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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White
by VM44 in.
"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.
http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.
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Thanks for the feedback. My info dates from 1980 when I was leaving the WT Organization. I know in about 1998 I checked and saw his name listed as being in the Bend, Oregon area. So, perhaps he left the College (retired?) but stayed in the area?
I tried googling his name along with Stanford since the book says he taught there but no luck. I also tried to see if there were any books published by him but did not find anything promising with a google search.
Perhaps he is deceased? I wonder if James Penton would know anything about him? Penton gives him a very favorable rating in Apocalypse Delayed. Does anyone here have contact with him to ask?
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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White
by VM44 in.
"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.
http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.
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cabasilas
Suggestions:
1) Try to contact Central Oregon Community College and see if they know where Mr Wills can be contacted.
2) Since he was a professor of English perhaps Wills authored other works. If so, those might give us a contact through a publisher.
3) Is there anyone reading JWD from the Bend, Oregon area? Would you be willing to search local records and obituaries?
I would think after a reasonable amount of searching if neither Wills or an heir could be found one could proceed with making the book available to others. Wills research on the Rutherford period is first rate.
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For JW Facts: Question re: WT spies here and at Wikipedia
by cabasilas ini enjoyed your description of how your df appeal meeting went.
you mentioned they cornered you re: your site by posts you made here on jwd and at wikipedia.
i'm curious as to their modus opperandi.
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cabasilas
I enjoyed your description of how your DF Appeal Meeting went. You mentioned they cornered you re: your site by posts you made here on JWD and at Wikipedia. I'm curious as to their modus opperandi. Could you give us any clues about what they look for?
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Two new publications available in German
by reexaminer intwo new releases in the german language: .
pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock (gebt acht auf euch selbst und auf die ganze herde) .
organized to do jehovah's will (organisiert, jehovas willen zu tun) .
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cabasilas
Noticed they have the OD book and Pay Attention in Polish also now.