Posts by cabasilas

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Rutherford's Biblical Library - What is Missing?

by VM44 in

this color plate is from rutherford's children book and is titled "biblical library".

what is missing from this "biblical library"?

--vm44.

cabasilas

The book "Life."

I think the picture you've shown is from Children (1941) and by this time the ideas in Life about the restoration of the Jews to Palestine was very old light.

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Wikipedia being abused by Jehovahs Witnesses

by Simon in

i had a look at the wikipedia entry for jehovahs witnesses yesterday and noticed that it wasn't as comprehensive as it once was.. most links to non-pro-jw sites have gone as is anything truly critical or exposing of their beliefs and practices.. last night i added a link to this site to the "other sources" section.

this morning it is gone.. i wonder whether this is some private zealot who has decided to do it or an organised campaign?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses.

cabasilas

I read the info at Wiki, and I have to say that I thought it was pretty balanced. It seemed accurate, there was lots of info about the origins and schisms, the constantly changing teachings, the many srewed up dates were listed, and the links at the end were dominated by anti-JW sites.

Wikipedia does not exist to expose JWs. People sometimes think they can put whatever negative stuff they want over there and it shouldn't be touched. If your submission is not backed up with sufficient documentation, it will be removed.

If you want to post info at Wikipedia it must be verfiable, not original research and written in a neutral point of view. It is also considered bad form to link your own website. Self-promotion is not allowed.

There are many (both JWs and non-JWs) who have worked hard on the site. It's not going to be all positive or all negative. The article has its flaws but, all in all, it contains a wealth of information that is presented in such a way that many JWs will read. If it was just a "anti-JW" article it would never be read by JWs.

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Was anyone at Bethel on 9-11-01?

by snarf in

was anyone at bethel on 9-11 or know of anyone who was?

i was just wondering the reactions to the bethelites there on that day.

also, was bethel close enough to ground zero to have any effect on the publishing that day?

cabasilas

Makes me wonder if the people described in the press release were actually JWs?

Wouldn't it have been quite a positive witness if the kitchens at Bethel had prepared food and drink for some of the thousands of people walking across the Brooklyn Bridge?

Oh...I keep forgetting that the JWs are engaged in the more important work of preaching the good news...

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Recieved copy of Michigan Apostate Letter today

by lovelylil in

jw
friends

today i received the letter sent to all the elders in michigan that our friend outaservice was referring to a few days ago.

i was planning on scanning it and putting it up on the jwd.

but the print if very, very tiny and my hubby (who knows how to scan) said it will be very hard to see.

cabasilas

I think I remember this. It was re-printed and circulated under the title "A Letter from a Presiding Overseer to all Jehovah's Witnesses in Good Standing" or something like that. If it's the same thing it dates from about 1975 or 1976. I've looked and I don't see the text online anywhere so it'd be great to see a copy available on the net!

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Recieved copy of Michigan Apostate Letter today

by lovelylil in

jw
friends

today i received the letter sent to all the elders in michigan that our friend outaservice was referring to a few days ago.

i was planning on scanning it and putting it up on the jwd.

but the print if very, very tiny and my hubby (who knows how to scan) said it will be very hard to see.

cabasilas

What's the letter about?

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Maybe Interesting Blood News

by truth.ceeker in

i had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.

" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.

i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.

cabasilas

I mean, come on have you ever seen the kind of people standing outside the blood donar clinics

They came to the high school where I work and dozens of kids and teachers gave blood. That blood was used, not only for transfusions, but also to make blood products many of which are used by JWs (such as Factor VIII, etc.) So, JWs can use that but are forbidden to donate. Does that make sense?

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Maybe Interesting Blood News

by truth.ceeker in

i had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.

" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.

i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.

cabasilas

So when you think about it, Jehovahs Witnesses are recieving better treatment than those who accept blood. Blood from another human is like a transplant and shouldn't be taken lightly.

But, a liver transplant (which contains a bunch of blood) is okay, right?

Question for inthetruth:

Bloodless surgery has some great benefits, to be sure. However, it has limits and will not work in every case. There are situations where the only thing that will sustain life is a blood transfusion. Are JWs "receiving better treatment" when they refuse blood in those situations?

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Wikipedia being abused by Jehovahs Witnesses

by Simon in

i had a look at the wikipedia entry for jehovahs witnesses yesterday and noticed that it wasn't as comprehensive as it once was.. most links to non-pro-jw sites have gone as is anything truly critical or exposing of their beliefs and practices.. last night i added a link to this site to the "other sources" section.

this morning it is gone.. i wonder whether this is some private zealot who has decided to do it or an organised campaign?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses.

cabasilas

I think that it's a pretty balanced article. Not overly positive or negative.
It also contains a lot of information that the average Witness wouldn't know.
If I had read something like that when I was still active, it would have raised many questions.

If the article was strongly anti-JW it would scare off JW readers. There's plenty of information in the article which should give JWs something to think about. There are several links in the footnotes to online editions of classic JW texts: such as The Finished Mystery, The Way to Paradise, Russell's works, etc. The chart of the eschatological changes re: 1874, 1878, 1914, etc. is well done. The "Other Sources" section contains links to online chapters from Crisis of Conscience and Google Book Search's online viewing of Apocalypse Delayed. If I read the history log correctly, I believe Simon wanted to link JWD as an additional source but Wikipedia rules frown on linking discussion boards or Forums as external links. However, Freeminds is linked as one of the sources and JWD is easily found through Freemnds. Writing a "neutral point of view" article on JWs is a darn near impossible task. Considering the odds stacked against it, I think the collaborative work of both non-JWs and JWs on this article is not without some merit.

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For those who knew Bethelites from Oregon in the 70s

by cabasilas in

jw
friends

are there some here who knew various bethelites who were from oregon in the early and mid-70s?

i was from eastern oregon and was in brooklyn and wt farm from 73 to 76 and knew several from the portland area.

i don't want to mention names but if you knew some from that era (or are one of them yourself), i'd like to talk to you.

cabasilas

btt...one more try

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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.

by thirdwitness in

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

cabasilas

Cabasilas,

For that to happen people either, need to be in the same household, or the same company (not likely that they would have that much free time on their hands considering how much 3d witness posts) The only other possibility is if they both came from, well, something like say, WTBS bethel, which is intriguing possibility but my life has taught me hard way to apply Occam's razor principle in such strange situations . Which brings me back to my original conclusion, unless someone can present concrete proof that would point otherwise.

We run into this often at Wikpedia when trying to block some IP addresses of people who are just trying to vandalize the pages. If they're using a proxy server (which could just be AOL) all we have is the AOL IP address. For example, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:205.188.116.199
This
IP address , 205.188.116.199, is the address of a shared America Online (AOL) web proxy server and may be shared by hundreds of AOL users at any given time ( see AOL ranges ).