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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

by ros in

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friends

i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

Analysis

AlanF

"I've presented arguments that prove conclusively that 2 Chronicles 36:20 and Jeremiah 25:11, 12 together are absolutely conclusive that Watchtower chronology is wrong, and that these are completely consistent with standard secular history. You just don't find such close correspondence among independent archaeological sources unless they all point to the same conclusions."

Could you briefly restate what 2 Chronicles 36:20 states. In the bible edition I have I don't see what the conflict is.

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Does anybody know how to establish Credit?

by Nomad Soul in

i'm 19, i'm in the real world now.

i went to the dealership to buy a car, but was turn down, no credit history.

i have tried to apply for credit cards, but been turned down.

Analysis

As some have already stated Secured Credits Cards from Banks is sometimes the best way. I also found that Gas Companies were easier then Banks to get a credit card to purchase gas.

The last option is look for sub-prime lenders. They will take a chance on you and charge you 25% interest, but if you pay it off every month it is not a problem.

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Help! Spouse thinks JW religion the most logical

by bittersweet in

my husband and i were discussing what makes some people become jw's last night.

i was saying that if i hadn't grown up in it, i would have never been drawn to it at all.

i'm not a very spiritual person.

Analysis

hooberus

You have read too much into what I have written. I am not attempting to prove or disprove Evolution. I am not attempting to prove or disprove a global flood.

My point was that Modern Man is older then 6,000 years and that the last large flood took place 7600 years ago. And it was not global. JW’s believe that the flood was about 4600 years ago, man was created 6000 years ago and that the flood created the Ice Caps.

The Ice Caps prove that the World had a warming period and a wetter climate at about the same time the Radio Carbon Dating dates the objects found near the suspected flood site between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. That is not me making things up, it is People from noted research organizations such as Woods Hole.

The rate of change in DNA allows Scientist to place an age range on Modern Man. Whether one believes in Evolution or Creation the Rate of Change in DNA proves that Modern Humans have been around for more then 6,000 years. Research has been done on DNA samples and they have proven that all of Modern Man is derived from less then 50 females (I think it is actually 37). This is documented the Book Seven Daughters of Eve.

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What are the benifits of DA? Should I DA?

by zucker in

i'm wondering if i should just "come out of the closet" and tell my family i don't believe it anymore and da myself or don't make any noise and fade out?

what are the benefits or problems with either choice?

additionally, some have expressed concern over da.

Analysis

If you have family or friends that you want to maintain contact with the only choice is to do the fade.

The best way is to fade and move to another area. If you can not move, yes the Elders will stop by every couple of years. I still consider some of them to be friends, so it is not really a problem for me.

Am I any different then a person of another religion that goes to church once or twice a month? No. Most Catholics while the may admire the Pope, do not let him run their life.

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Help! Spouse thinks JW religion the most logical

by bittersweet in

my husband and i were discussing what makes some people become jw's last night.

i was saying that if i hadn't grown up in it, i would have never been drawn to it at all.

i'm not a very spiritual person.

Analysis

Bittersweet that is funny.

I have a question, did he have his BS in marine biology before he became a Witness?

Or did he get a higher education against the direction of the FDS?

If it is the later then somewhere deep inside he does not really believe that they speak for God. So there is hope.

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Help! Spouse thinks JW religion the most logical

by bittersweet in

my husband and i were discussing what makes some people become jw's last night.

i was saying that if i hadn't grown up in it, i would have never been drawn to it at all.

i'm not a very spiritual person.

Analysis

Hamas you asked; "Can you please expand on some of the things that you wrote? Why is all that important?"

The reason I would ask those questions is that it helped me to determine the proper perspective of the Bible itself.

Was man created 6000 years ago and placed in a Garden of Eden where all of creation lived in harmony? Then did a Global Flood wipe out mankind and all of the animals except those in the Ark? Thereby causing the Polar Ice Caps.

Scientist from Woods Hole and other locations have done a great deal of research on the age of the Ice Caps. In addition to Radio Carbon dating, they can now date certain events via the layers of Ice. DNA Scientist have also used changes to date DNA to determine how long man has been on the earth.

I came to realize that man has been around for a great deal longer then the 6000 plus years of the Bible. I also found that a few Scientist have proved that a major flood did occur in the Middle East about 7,600 years ago and could be the event that the Bible’s Global Flood was based. But, it was not global in nature!

This caused me to realize that the Bible maybe based on History, but it is not a History Book. After carefully reading the Bible after this realization, I came to see that it was not even written by contemporary authors. And much of the prophetic portions of the Bible most likely were written or edited after the fact.

That is not to say I do not put any value in the Bible.

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Help! Spouse thinks JW religion the most logical

by bittersweet in

my husband and i were discussing what makes some people become jw's last night.

i was saying that if i hadn't grown up in it, i would have never been drawn to it at all.

i'm not a very spiritual person.

Analysis

Since he thinks it is so logical get him to explain some of the following.

What did sharks, lions and other predators eat in the beginning before Eve sinned? Why did God design them with the abilities that they have to hunt?

Have him reconcile the Ice Ages with their belief of the flood?

How does he explain how Kangaroos survived the flood? How did they get to Noah in the Middle East? How did they return to Australia?

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"Special Meeting" on Sunday 4/27/03. How special?

by robhic in

a friend of mine who is a jw told me last night that there is a special meeting today that she wanted to attend.

since her health in the last few months has prevented meeting attendance (other than the memorial) i wonder why she is so determined to make the meeting today, sunday april 27, 2003. could it just be a local thing?

do the jw do that or is every meeting in lock-step with all the meetings in the country if not the world?

Analysis

The 6-1 Watchtower is talking about the King of the North.

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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friends

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

Analysis

Masterji and no one

It seems we agree that, Magog is the King of the North. And Gog is the ruler or force of the King of the North.

Do either of you see how the UN is being addressed in the 6-1 Watchtower?

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

Analysis

No One – Good Point

Gog of Magog is found in only Ezekiel 38 & 39. At Ezekiel 38:15 it describes the homeland as being from the Distant North. It also states the Gog is a Prince of Magog.

So in one Ezekiel Gog is a Prince and in Revelation it is a location. We also have the possibility of two different battles. Armageddon and the one after the 1,000 years.