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Elders' wives and elders' kids - any different from the RnF?

by Inquisitor in

elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with.

ews are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters.

they put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (i suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in jehovah's patriarchy).

Inquisitor

Hey all, great read! Your observations make me re-think whether there really is such thing as "immunity" for elder's kids.

I guess, what led me to that belief is that I've successfully avoided being kicked out of the Org with my behaviour. But on retrospect, that's probably because the "relevant authorities" don't really know what I get up to, what I think, what I've said to my non-Witness friends. Another thing I've to confess is that the other elders' kids don't get into trouble not because they hide things well but because they are staunch believers. Trouble isn't on the horizon cos most of the ones I know are Champions of the Org.

So yes, you might be on to something there, monophonic and friends..

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Elders' wives and elders' kids - any different from the RnF?

by Inquisitor in

elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with.

ews are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters.

they put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (i suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in jehovah's patriarchy).

Inquisitor

You feel you have to live up to the role for the sake of your dad or husband. - changeling

I've been threatened with the potential loss of my Dad's position for stirring too much independent thinking in the congregation. It's a difficult situation to be in. Speak up for facts and reason? Or give in to the interests of your family? And the elders always approach my Dad, not me. Respect for his Headship they say.

I've said time and time again to my folks: What's this business about respecting Headship and not confronting me directly? I'm an adult. When the Pharisees questioned the parents of the healed blind beggar, did his parents not tell the Pharisees to question their ADULT SON?? - John 9: 19-23. Perhaps it is more fortuitous for my Dad that I'm not personally confronted by the elders. They would have used every last trick in the book to destroy me if they knew how serious a threat I am to their faith.

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Elders' wives and elders' kids - any different from the RnF?

by Inquisitor in

elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with.

ews are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters.

they put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (i suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in jehovah's patriarchy).

Inquisitor

The elders wives in my old congregation knew all the decisions of that were made in the elders meetings - icyestrm

Have they ever attempted to alter some decisions? INQ

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Elders' wives and elders' kids - any different from the RnF?

by Inquisitor in

elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with.

ews are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters.

they put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (i suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in jehovah's patriarchy).

Inquisitor

Yes, what you say is true, Blondie. There are pleasant elder's wives in my congregation too. But because these are few and they don't do much to attract attention, I guess people don't often think of them being a part of that demographic.

Of course, what I was trying to say is that you have your (1) nasty elder's wife who was born to play dog-eat-dog politics. And you have the (2)elder's wife who becomes cold and nasty due to factors that completely escapes the rest of the congregation. What you mentioned could possibly be counted as EW category (3), the elder's wife who strives to behave like any other RnF.

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Elders' wives and elders' kids - any different from the RnF?

by Inquisitor in

elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with.

ews are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters.

they put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (i suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in jehovah's patriarchy).

Inquisitor

Elder's wives - the general impression of them in my congregation is that they are not to be messed with. EWs are all smiles in front of guests but brutally unaccomodating to more familiar brothers and sisters. They put much effort in making "good" comments at the meetings, with the occasional veiled insult directed at certain individuals (I suppose this is the only outlet for a lady in Jehovah's patriarchy). Of course, few have seen that a sick elder sometimes cannot find a willing replacement, or that other elders may have nitpicked at a fellow elder and his family. These factors make elder's wives bitter I guess.

Elder's kids - My cong tends to assume that they know all the leaked secrets about the cong. Funny how the gossipers tend to make that assumption rather loudly when the elders' kids really know nothing. They must know that these kids make easyscapegoats when in actual fact they are real channels of information. Another presumption is that elders' kids have a measure of immunity. I think this latter one is true.

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

Inquisitor

RAF,

The study you quote merely shows similarities between humans and pigs. That is not news. I can show you links that talk about similarities between humans and mice. It is on the basis of these similarities that medical research is performed on these animals as test subjects.

What you ought to have shown (which is what you ORIGINALLY ASSERTED) is that PIGS are genetically CLOSER to humans THAN APES.

I want proof of this statement.

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

Inquisitor

Thank you, sad emo.

In other words:

they chose the monkey (just because it looks more like us instead of the swin (PIG?) which have more in common genetically) it looks like since there is no real answer it's easier even for a scientist to clame that the monkey is our ancestor.

RAF, from where did you learn that humans are genetically closer to pigs than to hominids? I've only ever heard that pig insulin can be made very identical to human insulin to treat diabetes, but I've never encountered any claim that the pig/swine is our closest relative. Please show me the evidence.

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

Inquisitor

RAF,

Firstly, if I say that "you and Marie share a common ancestor", is that the same as "you are a descendent of Marie"? No. Because in the first case, Marie could still be alive, but in the second case, she MUST BE DEAD.

Similarly, it is different to claim (1) that humans descended from apes, compared to (2) humans and apes share a common ancestor.

By the way, genetic studies show that humans are more closely related to APES (tail-less, large primates) than to MONKEYS. The 4 great apes are gorillas, bonobos, chimpanzees and orang utans. Of the apes, chimpanzees are closest to us. Do not confuse your apes with your monkeys. "There is no better way to insult an ape expert than to say that you love his monkeys!" - Frans De Waal, primatologist.

Secondly, may we please have the English translation of "swin"? My dictionary cannot cope with your extended lexicon.

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

Inquisitor

These threads usually "evolve" into this. - warlock

Oh yes, I trust you even knew this from the start, warlock.

I am neither stupid or uneducated, and was enjoying the debate

Poppy dear, my point was, going by the thread title, this WASN'T MEANT to be a Debate!! It says: "explain", not "justify". I cannot understand why under such a title, some would deliberately post to challenge the theory. How do you explain something by picking a fight with it?

Do I explain to my kid what God is by prefacing my reply with "First of all, He is a myth"??

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

Inquisitor

I was given the impression that this thread was started with the intention of UNDERSTANDING the theory* of evolution, not to contest its credibility. And surely not to reduce this informative discussion into a squabble over who called who what and who is smart, who is stupid.

INQ

*great point there AA (Dave)