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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

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Wow.. judging from your responses, you people are really pro's at this huh? Hmm lemme guess, this topic is often revisited? (got that link, serendipity, cheers!)

Well a big thank you to you all for your ideas and contributions. Those were kind words, Sheepish. You're sweet ;)

Tuesday, you cracked me up there. I had thought that the title would make people think of preaching to a drag, not as one. hahahahahaha! That's a splendid idea you know, I'd love to see the expression on old Bro. Grimace Self-Righteous when I stumble into my meeting-for-field, in high heels, adjusting my bra straps!! Course I'd have to be moderately inebriated to pull that stunt. God, how many sins can you commit in one morning?!!

I'll see what I can come up with this weekend, jgnat and happydad. I was merely kidding around when I talked about a tract, but yknow, we might be on to something here...

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42

Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

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Yadda2

I don't think I've read that article. But I'd be interested to note if the WTS implied that married bro was a gay man turned straight or a gay man leading a straight life? The WTS is famous for enforcing principles without bothering to state it in black and white, but merely hinting at what is righteous. They call it thought-provoking questions or the audience-helped-to-reason technique. I call it the sly-way-of-commanding-your-troops-without-the-threat-of-litigation technique.

I mean take that tale for example. Why did they mention that he was happily married in the end? Is that how they want each gay person to respond to their belief system: to finally adopt a straight lifestyle? If not, then can you think of any other experience related in their mags where the gay-turned-Witness did not NEED a marriageto the opposite sex to prove he is one of JWs, all happy and serving God? Is there one where the gay person still harbors desires but consciously chooses not to act upon his/her desire out of the superior love for Jehovah? Why not? If they truly accept celibate gays shouldn't we have heard of such pat-on-the-back experiences already?

Do not be fooled, what is left unsaid is a comment in itself.

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42

Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

Absolutely, Poztate.

I remember scratching my head the first time I heard that JWs allow gays (sexually castrated or not) to exist in their hallowed KHalls. That's not the impression I've got. I've always been raised with the Witness belief that homosexuality is a gross sin and so any gay people who want to keep associating with JWs need to CHANGE THEIR WAYS.

So this belief that celibate gays can co-exist with Witnesses must be some fancy rhetoric to placate the gay community. No offense to you of course, Dave. I know for a fact that you're not the first to profess this belief. You must have learnt it elsewhere.

Wake up people! JWs don't just want gays to be celibate, they want you to want f*cking someone of the opposite sex. Otherwise full-membership denied.

Funny that you mention the whispers and comments and the shunning of gays, Poztate. That's the treatment some get for pursuing higher education.

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16

Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

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Anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the WTS??

I know i'll have to when I see my folks in a coupla weeks time. Have to keep up the appearance that all is well. God, I'm such a hypocrite. How frustrating! I've actually thought of designing my own tract for the householder. One that says, "Please don't take the mags!! I'm begging you!! You don't know what you're in for. And I don't want to have to come back next Sunday to see you cos I'm gonna fake my demise!"

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First and last to legalize Xmas?

by Golden Girl in

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i saw a statement about the first state to officially celebrate christmas so i looked it up to be sure.... first state to officially celebrate cristmas was alabama in 1836.. last state to officially recognize christmas was oklahoma in 1907.. didn't take long to catch on did it?.

snoozy..

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Awwwww... somebody's getting grouchy about XMas.... lol

Well you've made a fair point about the spending craze on such a holiday, Hellrider. It's not fun to spend extreme amounts of money to please so many people. But I disagree that we should bolster the WTS's arguments against XMAS.

One should remember that not everybody's XMas is necessarily plagued by commercialism. This fact the WTS very very conveniently ignores in their most recent Christmas-slamming Watchtower. I think there was also a mention in the same Watchtower how these XMas get-togethers often see fierce family arguments. Another desperate attempt to make non-celebrants feel better.

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A thing that bothers me about JW and Christmas

by zagor in

is that they dont celebrate it but are quite happy to accept gifts or money given by many companies at the end of a year as christmas gift.

in fact, ive heard all sorts of excuses ranging from well thats our money that weve earned over the year anyway to well we shouldnt really offend anyone

it looks like as long as you are receiving money or gifts its okay.

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bleh.. no fellow conpiracy theorist willing to play the game... sigh.

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

A Paduan,

Who's the "they" you're referring to? Gay people or the WTS?

Stop speaking in riddles, man, if you want people to understand you! ;)

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25

Curious...

by Tez in

who here has become involved with another religion since leaving the borg, and what was it that drew you to it??

any 'born agains'?.

(ok mum, you may have suspected i would post this!

Inquisitor

Dear Tez

Your post said: "but I hear from some who feel they have found it elsewhere so I am intrigued"

Did you check whether these have merely found a church to belong to so they can enjoy forming new social ties (since they'd probably lost quite a few friends and family having left the org)? Or have they actually found THE TRUTH elsewhere? I'm willing to bet that most of the time, the new church/religion is the equivalent of new friends, not new Truth. That's my two cents anyway.

I'm not out of the organization yet, but I've been studying, preparing for the eventual big showdown. Anyway, even now, I sense that there is no TRUTH. So why would I need another religion to "show me their wares"?

So it's a "NO" from me. ;)

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A Fanatical JW...

by stillAwitness in

a fanatical jw...

-thinks the tsunami and hurrican katrina are signs the satan is becoming more resilient in his quest to take over the world!.

-keeps tracts in their back pocket to place in the grocery line.. -thinks dr. phil is "satan's little helper".

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...would not describe the above behaviors fanatical, but would prefer adjectives like "spiritual-minded", "zealous", "godly", "righteous".

...would have no qualms calling any member of Christendom with the same pattern of behaviour "fanatical".

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A thing that bothers me about JW and Christmas

by zagor in

is that they dont celebrate it but are quite happy to accept gifts or money given by many companies at the end of a year as christmas gift.

in fact, ive heard all sorts of excuses ranging from well thats our money that weve earned over the year anyway to well we shouldnt really offend anyone

it looks like as long as you are receiving money or gifts its okay.

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A non-witness friend of mine was always broke from buying gifts for birthdays, Xmas etc etc.

Once, having just bought some very expensive gifts for several birthdays in a week, she learnt from me that although JWs do not celebrate such events, they happily accept presents or cash from any "insistent" friends or relatives. She said with tongue-in-cheek, "WOW.. where do i sign up? I'd save me heaps that way. Get presents all year and not need to give any away!"

Jokes aside, i wonder why the WTS has not been draconian about accepting these items.

1) Do they normally get a BIG XMAS present from some secular business/corporation in December? And thus silence is literally golden?

2) Do they reason that whatever the r&f receives eventually adds to the wealth of the organization? ( I wouldn't bet my money on this one though)

Any ideas??

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