Welcome to the board! My three cents on this is, as some have already suggested on this thread, go slow. Hopefully soon you will realize that you are trapped in a religious cult and you can't escape without losing every friend and family member you have ever had. So, that being said, inform yourself. Find out for yourself exactly what a cult is according to cult experts. When you realize you are in a cult, you will recognize the extent of damage this group can do to your life. If you push the wrong buttons they will destroy you. Your own mother will disown you and will feel perfectly fine doing it, in fact they will feel righteous. Be very careful and back out very slowly. Try getting a job that keeps you away from one meeting every once in a while. Don't make the mistakes that I made. Don't challege them or be confrontational, they will interpret that as persecution.
Shawn10538
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Hi everyone I am a newbie and I need help
by philosopher ini have been coming here for some months y i must admit that i am still in.
but i have serious doubts, i mean, i am 99.9% convinced, the jws are not the true religion, but i still live with my family, and they are jws, and i love them.
my parents have a long time been jws, and it is very hard for me to tell them the truth.
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On National Public Radio Today: This I Believe
by BurnTheShips ini enjoyed today's essay on the "this i believe" segment, just wanted to share it.
my wife turned me on to a local charity.
i am considering ways i can help too.
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Yes, I agree! Blow jobs are extremely touching. Everytime I get one i just tear up. It's so beautiful.
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do you still believe god's name is "Jehovah"?
by winnower insorry this is in red.
i do not see a way to change it to black.
this is excerpt from web page by fellow poster here at jwd.
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Yes! And he has blonde hair and a beard that's starting to grey. His turn -ons are satin sheets and dimples. His turn - offs are haters and masturbators.
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On National Public Radio Today: This I Believe
by BurnTheShips ini enjoyed today's essay on the "this i believe" segment, just wanted to share it.
my wife turned me on to a local charity.
i am considering ways i can help too.
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I don't get it. She gave Christ a blow job? ("Jesus was alive and in my mouth.")
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Renegade Mormons - Abuse of Children- Broken Bones -Many Girls Pregnant
by flipper inhow long will religions claiming to worship god - tolerate the abuse of children , and try to hide it ?
catholics, jehovah's witnesses, mormons - my wife and i discussed it and i'm starting to feel that there is something about the stunted views of religions about sex in general that creates these monsters of sexual child abuse !
do we not just hear about the non-religious child abusers ?
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So I'm going to answer my own question. OK so it wasn't the book of Mormon that introduced polygamy into the Mormon religion, but it was its horn-dog leader Joseph Smith who did it, apparently against his own words in the Book of Moron. It's funny that Qcumber couldn't be honest enough, though I know he/she knows full well that mainstream Mormons practiced polygamy for decades with the consent of their leaders Smith and others. Why couldn't Q just reveal exactly who and what started it all. Sure, so it's not in the book of Mormon, but it is in other "inspired" writings of J. Smith, yet Q is acting like polygamy was never practiced by Mormons.
http://www.bible-infonet.org/ff/articles/denominations/111_08_07.htm
The Inconsistent of the Mormon's Doctrine of Polygamy
By David R. Kenney
The book of Exodus contains an important event in the life of Moses. In Exodus 4:24-26 we see an example of the importance of keeping a covenant with God and the peril of neglect. Circumcision of a male was the symbol of God's covenant with the descendants of Abraham. All male children were to be circumcised on the eighth day (Gen. 17:9-14).
Moses was approached by God to go to Egypt to lead the Israelites out of bondage. God sent Moses' brother Aaron with him since Moses complained he was a poor speaker (Ex. 4:10, 14).
Before Moses left to go to Egypt, his wife Zipporah bore him a son named Eliezer. Zipporah was a Midianite, thus not concerned with the covenant made with Abraham's descendants. Moses did not insist on the child's circumcision and neglected to keep the covenant. As great a man as Moses was, God would have killed him for neglecting to keep the covenant.
This short passage teaches us lessons about the importance of doing what we should, not procrastinating, and choosing a faithful companion who has respect for the law of God.
One of the distinguishing doctrines of Mormonism is polygamy. Polygamy is defined as having more than one husband or wife at one time. Polygamy originated not with God, but with a man named Lamech (Gen. 4:19).
In direct opposition to the teaching of Jesus Christ in Matthew 19:4-9, the Mormons embraced polygamy. Not only were they permitted to have multiple wives, they were required to do it to reach the highest heaven. Joseph Smith at Nauvoo, Ill., on July 12, 1843, made the following "revelation" concerning polygamy from the Lord:
For behold, I reveal unto you a new and everlasting covenant [polygamy]; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my [Lord's] glory (Doctrine and Covenants 132:4).
So, not only was one permitted to have multiple wives, it was demanded to progress into the highest heaven (Mormons believe there are three heaven- kingdoms and three levels in the highest of three heavens). Not only did Joseph Smith's "revelation" contradict the Bible, but it also contradicted his Book of Mormon (Jacob 1:15; 2:24; 3:5; Mosiah 11:2).
In 1847 the Mormons entered the Great Salt Lake Valley in an effort to escape persecution for their views and practices. Utah was owned by Mexico and would be ceded to the United States in March 1848 in accordance with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, New York, The Christian Literature Company, p. 1579).
The Mormons organized their own government, and on March 10, 1849 they drafted a constitution. This constitution formed what was called the "State of Deseret" with Brigham Young as governor (Marguerite Cameron, This Is the Place, Idaho: The Caxton Printers, Ltd. pp. 154-255).
The Mormons dwelt rather independently of federal law until the Organic Act of 1850 created the Territory of Utah. Mormons were free to engage in polygamy as required by Joseph Smith. Mormons petitioned for statehood in 1849 and 1856 but were denied admittance into the Union.
In 1882 the Edmunds Bill was passed by Congress making polygamy illegal. When the Mormons failed to comply with the law, the United States threatened to send the U.S. Cavalry to confiscate all their property and disperse them. Ironically, the leader of the Mormons, Wilford Woodruff, had a relieving "revelation." On Sept. 29, 1890, Woodruff issued a Manifesto which was approved (voted on) by the general conference on Oct. 6, 1890. The Mormons cited Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 as a loophole for getting out of the revelation of Joseph Smith (as well as other false prophecies of Smith in the past) (Marguerite Cameron, This Is the Place, p. 131).
The Mormons were no longer required to keep the everlasting covenant of polygamy. The cavalry left, and the threat of invasion was over. Six years later, Utah became a state.
It is quite amazing how the Mormons overcame their reputation and dark history. Many examples of this sinister history have been documented in numerous places, but the Mormon church has weathered them.
In 1995, Turner Network Television released Riders of the Purple Sage based on Zane Grey's classic western novel which probably is the most famous western of all time. In the book and movie, a young lady named Jane Withersteen is being oppressed by a ruthless bunch of her church. She is being pressured to marry a man named Tull. Fortunately, maybe even providentially, she is rescued by Lassiter, an infamous gunslinger who hates this religious group.
The movie failed to mention the location and religious group, but the book did not. The location was Utah, and the religious group was the Mormons. Tull and his cronies were killers and cattle rustlers. There was no mention in the movie that Tull was already married, hence attempting a polygamous union (Zane Grey, Riders of the Purple Sage, New York, Grosset & Dunlap, p. 71).
It is incredible that the most famous western of all time provides such an explicit proclamation of the Mormons' reputation, and the movie conveniently omits these details and events to the point of not mentioning the state of Utah. Perhaps no one could believe this group of people could have a history so sinister since they seem to be such nice people (and many of them are).
Mormons do not desire to talk about these events and the implications of what happened. How could the God of Israel, who removed armies to protect the Israelites when they kept his covenant, allow this to happen? Would God permit the threat of the U.S. Cavalry to change his will (Mal. 3:6)? Did the Mormons lack the faith that God would protect them (Psa. 46)? How can a sincere God-seeking Morman rationalize these events? He can not.
If a Mormon holds to the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants, he is faced with an impossible dilemma and a religion plagued with numerous contradictions. The only way a person can have a religion of no contradictions and logical difficulties such as this is to reject Joseph Smith as a prophet and his books, and accept the Bible as the sole authority for faith and practice.
This is the first entry I found when I did a search of Mormons and polygamy. I'm sure there are better articles out there but I think this is good enough to establish that Mormons practiced polygamy, and that it was a part of their doctrine for a time. I guess Morons have a "light that gets brighter" doctrine as well that like JWs turns off and on when a teaching becomes burdensome or inconvenient. In this case it was the threat of going to jail that made them about face on the polygamy issue, not a "convenient revelation" from god. -
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Renegade Mormons - Abuse of Children- Broken Bones -Many Girls Pregnant
by flipper inhow long will religions claiming to worship god - tolerate the abuse of children , and try to hide it ?
catholics, jehovah's witnesses, mormons - my wife and i discussed it and i'm starting to feel that there is something about the stunted views of religions about sex in general that creates these monsters of sexual child abuse !
do we not just hear about the non-religious child abusers ?
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False Prophecies of the Mormon Church
We receive more requests for information on the false prophecies of the LDS Church than I can count. So in light of these events, we’ve assembled several that we’ll be posting for now but come back often to see the updates!
Above all, to establish what a false prophecy is, we must first turn to the Bible. I was being interviewed on a radio show in early 2006 when the host of the show asked me if we could discern true prophets by the prophecies that come true. Without trying to sound ambiguous, the answer to that is no we cannot; and yes, that is part of it. If a man calls himself a prophet, and his prophecy comes true then yes, that’s a good sign that he is from God. However, if that prophet prophecies a word and claims it is of God and it is proven false, then it doesn’t matter how many he got right before or after the false prophecy; he’s a false prophet.
The LDS Church says in “Answers to Your Questions about the Doctrine and Covenants”, pg. 4; “"The most important prophet, so far as we are concerned," affirmed President Ezra Taft Benson, "is the one who is living in our day and age. This is the prophet who has today's instructions from God to us today. God's revelation to Adam did not instruct Noah how to build the ark. Every generation has need of the ancient scripture plus the current scripture from the living prophet. Therefore, the most crucial reading and pondering which you should do is of the latest inspired words from the Lord's mouthpiece. That is why it is essential that you have access to and carefully read his words in current Church publications" (in Korea Area Conference Report, 1975, 52).”
The God of the Bible has given us several examples of how we can discern what He wants for us to know, so let’s begin in His word before we delve into LDS theology. God has always had this thing about being consistent so it’s fairly easy to find the subjects needed and know there aren’t any new updates to worry about! Here are a few examples and I’m sure you’ll be able to get more for your own studies.
Deuteronomy 13:5; “And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.”
Deut. 18:20-22; “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Jer. 28:9; “The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.”
All About Jesus
Where was Jesus born?
Alma 7:10; “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.”
Luke 2:15; “And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.”
The LDS Church tells its members that these two cities are actually “suburbs” of each other. This is not true! Bethlehem and Jerusalem are about eight miles apart from each other.
From Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, 3:51; “These words have spawned a host of heckles and sneers directed at the Book of Mormon. Persons of a skeptical and cynical spirit ask: "Didn't Joseph Smith know that Jesus was born of Mary in Bethlehem?" We answer: Yes, he was born in Bethlehem, but he was also born at Jerusalem, meaning that Bethlehem, the smaller community, was within the environs of Jerusalem, the larger city. In our day it would be as if someone froth [sic] Sandy or even Provo, Utah, had said to one somewhat unfamiliar with the Wasatch Front, "I am from Salt Lake City." (See A Sure Foundation, pp. 3-4.)” -
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Renegade Mormons - Abuse of Children- Broken Bones -Many Girls Pregnant
by flipper inhow long will religions claiming to worship god - tolerate the abuse of children , and try to hide it ?
catholics, jehovah's witnesses, mormons - my wife and i discussed it and i'm starting to feel that there is something about the stunted views of religions about sex in general that creates these monsters of sexual child abuse !
do we not just hear about the non-religious child abusers ?
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So, if the book of Mormon condemns polygamy, why did Mormons, mainstream Mormons get the idea of polygamy. I believe it is a fact that mormons were well known for their polugamy, and much of the persecution of Mormons in the 1800s was directl related to the fact that Mormons pracyiced openly polygamy? This would be a good question for a Mormon on this board to answer, if they haven't already.
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a couple of movies I don't get
by Hortensia ini watched "children of men" a couple of nights ago.
it was pretty interesting, but i have to say i didn't get it completely.
maybe because i missed the beginning.
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Page, you are crazy. Fight Club is the ultimate guy flick. No other movie comes close, except for maybe the Godfather movies. Honestly, I have never met a dude that wasn't totally on boeard with Fight Club. I think you need to get together with one of your guy friends and watch it, no women in the room, and pound some brews back. Also, you might check to make sure your balls are still there. No offence intended, it's just a guy thing.
The Village. How can you miss the point of the Village being an exJW? It is one of the best metaphors for the cult experience I have ever seen. If watching it sober didn't do it for you, watch it high. -
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Renegade Mormons - Abuse of Children- Broken Bones -Many Girls Pregnant
by flipper inhow long will religions claiming to worship god - tolerate the abuse of children , and try to hide it ?
catholics, jehovah's witnesses, mormons - my wife and i discussed it and i'm starting to feel that there is something about the stunted views of religions about sex in general that creates these monsters of sexual child abuse !
do we not just hear about the non-religious child abusers ?
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I think my other post may have been removed for some reason. Let me say it again then. Mainstream Mormons are going to act like these "Renegade" Mormons have no connection whatsoever to the mainstream (read most popular) form of Mormonism. Yet, these so called renegades have a more honest interpretation of the book of Mormon. Fact, the book of Mormon by Joseph Smith reccommends polygamy. That's where they got the idea in the firt place. OK maybe the Bible started it all, but in any case, these Mormons are operating off of the same gold plates as mainstream morons. It wasn't until the mormon church was being indicted by federal government that they miraculously and suddenly and coincidentally got a "revelation" that they should no longer practice polygamy. How like JWs are the Morons? Lots! morons will condemn this so called splinter group even though they practiced the same exact teachings for most of their history. How hypocritical it is then for Morons to look down on this group as if they are innocent of the same charges. Moronism, whether a splinter group or mainstream with a member running for office, is a CULT. CCCCUUUULLLLTTTT!!!!!
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Expect big things to happen tomorrow
by startingover inthat's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.
that because it's.
national day of prayer!.
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Shawn10538
Oh my God! I received my paycheck today. It worked! Prayer really worked this time! Of course, I always get my check on the first. Nevermind, other months I got my check on the first because that is the day I always get my check. But this time, May 1, I got my check because I prayed for God's will to be done, and presto! I got my check! I got my check! I got my check! Praise to my God, Apkakboon shallah, the one and true God who obviously answers prayers! All your gods are false gods. I have proof that my god is the living god!