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  The LETTER Posted at all Kingdom Halls

  by Apostate Kate in

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  i know someone here must know about the letter and there is a thread somewhere.

  can someone link me to that thread either in pm or here on the new letter posted in all the kingdom halls about them admitting they are not inspired etc ... thank you!

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  Super_Becka

  I second that motion.

  Me, too!! I want to see this letter, too!!

  -Becka :)
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  Do you have a biblical name?

  by ButtLight in

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  or know of people that do?

  i wonder how many out there have named their kids from names from the bible.

  two of my kids are on the list, but it wasnt done on purpose.

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  Super_Becka

  Yup, sure do, and my family is full of Biblical names in general, as well as my friends.

  I'm Rebecca, my brothers are "John Matthew" (he goes by both names) and Jordan, my father is John, both of my grandfathers are/were John, my grandmother is Mary, my great-grandmother was Elizabeth, my uncles include Paul, a couple of John's, Soloman, Moses and Samuel, my cousins include Michael (his middle name is Andrew), several more John's (it's a popular name in my family), Noah, Thomas (his middle name is Jonathan), Joseph, Mark, Nathanial, Gabriel, Benjamin and David, just to name a few.

  And for friends, I know a Sarah, an Adam (his middle name is Josiah - his father is an Anglican minister), a Marcus, a Martha, a Joel, a couple of Jeremy's, a Jason, a Hiram, a Daniel, a Timothy, a Joshua, an Andrew, a Philip, a Rachel (she's actually pagan), a Stephen and an Aaron, among others.

  Yup, I'm pretty well surrounded by Biblical names, accidental or otherwise.

  -Becka :)
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  Question for Blondie

  by RichieRich in

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  blondie, .

  recently, my book study has been having some serious issues fitting their minds around the changes in the daniel's prophecy book.

  i spoke of the existance of a list, containing all the changes in the daniel book.

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  Super_Becka

  Ooo, this should be a good thread, it's something I've been thinking about a lot, too, so I'm very interested in what other posters will have to say about this.

  Again, the whole "changing what was printed" bit reminds me of Orwell's "1984" - change past publications to suit current thinking or to fool believers into thinking that you were right all along. Classy, really classy.

  I'm looking forward to whatever examples you guys can come up with!!

  -Becka :)
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  Another stupid blunder by the WTBTS.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many times the wtbts are pretty good at changing poilicy without looking to obvious to the r&f as being sneaky and having a motive behind their changes.

  normally they can even justify their change as scriptural to the unwary.

  however, when they changed the baptismal questions, it was more obvious that there was "motive" behind the change and some exited the group because of the change.. this thread is for those who have never heard of the change before and were not aware of the current stance the wtbts has taken regarding baptism.

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  Super_Becka

  Gumby said:

  People like yourself are the reason I and others take the time to inform the un-informed about Jehovahs Witnesses .

  And you guys, the people who take the time and make the effort to tell the truth (ooo, sorry about the bad pun ) about Jehovah's Witnesses, are the reason that so many of us non-JWs will never EVER become JWs. I never considered becoming one anyway, I enjoy my holidays too much for that, but it's the information presented in places like JWD that cements my decision, and the decision of so many others out there who have come into contact with the JWs.

  We really don't say it enough around here, but thanks so much for all of your time and effort into this information-gathering and presenting. That goes for Gumby and everyone else who makes the effort to keep all of us non-JWs informed about the workings of the WTS. You guys (and girls, too) all deserve a round of applause for your hard work!!

  You all have my deepest and most sincerest thanks!! I can't imagine what I'd do without the people on this board to help me with my research and learning about the flaws of the WTS, and I'm sure many others on the board feel the same way!!

  Thanks everyone!!

  -Becka :)
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  Just want to gain insight on the overall attitude of most on here.

  by stillAwitness in

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  i am on here a lot.

  leafing through posts, taking the time out to read individuals' profiles, their topics.

  i like to gain insight, get perspective on what it is like to be "on the other side" i guess you can say.

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  Super_Becka

  I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been, I'm on this board for help with my JW boyfriend (he's inactive and unbaptized, but still clings to some of his beliefs), so I really can't say how I feel about the WTS from personal experience.

  I can say, however, that I do feel bitter about the WTS for the effects its teachings are having on my relationship with my boyfriend. If it wasn't for the WTS, my relationship would be nice and normal and I've be exceptionally happy, my boyfriend is a very good person and we're good together, but because he believes WTS doctrines, there's tension and stress on the relationship.

  The WTS makes me angry, it makes me bitter and it shocks me because I can't understand how people can buy into their rules and regulations without ever questioning anything.

  That's how the WTS makes me feel, and I've never been involved with it!! And that makes me angry, too, because it just goes to show how much power the WTS really has - when it can mess with the lives of non-JWs and get in the way of things and make non-JWs angry and frustrated, for me, that's the mark of a truly powerful organization.

  Just my two cents.

  -Becka :)
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  Another stupid blunder by the WTBTS.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many times the wtbts are pretty good at changing poilicy without looking to obvious to the r&f as being sneaky and having a motive behind their changes.

  normally they can even justify their change as scriptural to the unwary.

  however, when they changed the baptismal questions, it was more obvious that there was "motive" behind the change and some exited the group because of the change.. this thread is for those who have never heard of the change before and were not aware of the current stance the wtbts has taken regarding baptism.

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  Super_Becka

  Nice work, Gumby!! Thanks for the info. The more I read about JWs and their beliefs and the WTS, the harder it is for me to believe that there are people who actually swallow this stuff and believe it whole-heartedly. The WTS just changes things and the obedient JWs just accept everything at face-value.

  Like someone said in another thread, this is just like Orwell's "1984" - Big Brother constantly changes the rules and even history to suit current situations and nobody ever questions it because they're not allowed. The WTS changes things, completely reverses many of its doctrines and practices and loyal JWs just eat it up, they don't ever examine things or question the changes because they're not allowed to. Incredible, just incredible.

  -Becka :)
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  Anyone send this link to a JW?

  by AuntieJane in

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  just wondering if anyone has sent this website to a jw and if so, was there any positive response?

  or, did anyone receive a link when they were a jw and if so, how did you react?

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  Super_Becka

  I would absolutely love to send a link for JWD to my inactive, unbaptized JW boyfriend, but as uninvolved in the WTS as he is, I know that the second he saw this website, he'd write it off as "apostate" or whatever and just assume that the whole forum is made up of people trying to undermine the WTS and give it a bad name, and he'd do that without even reading a single post, I know he would. He gets offended when I mention something about the WTS that he hasn't told me (meaning that he doesn't like me researching on my own, despite the fact that I am a non-JW), so I can only imagine how he'd react to this forum.

  I think I'll definitely show it to him someday, but not just yet. Maybe if (or should I say, "when") our relationship goes sour because of the WTS, I'll give him the link and tell him to read some of the threads here, they're real eye-openers.

  -Becka :)
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  Are You Watching the Book of Daniel?

  by prophecor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a show about a priest with a totally dysfunctional family.

  it got my attention from the begining.

  i'm going back to watch the rest of the program.

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  Super_Becka

  Hmm, I've heard about this show, it looks really interesting. The problem is, I'm in university and currently lacking cable, so I'll have to catch up on it over the summer break.

  I was just talking to my mom back home, though, and she just finished watching the premiere - she gives it two thumbs up!!

  -Becka :)
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  The Unkindest Cut: Hateful Words from JWs that Show Their True Colours

  by Scully in

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  2. friends

  i decided to start this topic when ozziepost shared the experience of a bethel representative telling him and mrs. ozzie "and don't forget, we've got your children!

  it's important for us to hear these experiences and to share them with each other.

  it helps us tear down the mistaken beliefs that the incidents that happen to us are not isolated ones, but are in fact par for the course when one parts ways with the jws and wts.

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  Super_Becka

  I'll say the same thing that I said on Ozzie's thread on the same topic:

  Since when does a group claiming to have the Word of God threaten people?? Oh wait, that's one of the WTS's main functions, threatening its members and keeping them in line with fear tactics.

  I can't wrap my brain around the fact that these people can treat us "unbelievers" or those who are "weak in the Truth" like dirt and still believe that they are doing God's work and are assured eternal life in Paradise. Can someone please point me to the Bible passage that says, "JWs, you guys are the real deal, treat everyone else like inferior beings who are going to Hell anyway and you'll be doing exactly what God wants you to. Double the points for being extra-mean and bring family members into it!!".

  I can't believe that these people actually believe that they're right in doing this. I thought that the Bible says to "love your neighbours as yourself" and to "do onto others as you would like them to do onto you"?? The JWs constantly look down on everyone who's not a member of the WTS and they treat us "unbelievers" and "apostates" like dirt, even threaten them and their families with impending doom, but when someone says anything even remotely against their beliefs and their organization, and they're running around screaming bloody murder because they're being "persecuted". Who's persecuting who here??

  The hypocrisy really blows my mind.

  As for my run-ins with JWs, besides the snide remarks my JW boyfriend likes to make about my holidays, the worst thing I ever got from a JW was from a poster here at JWD. He called me, and I quote, a "tree-worshipping Protestant pagan". I think that was supposed to be offensive, but it was just water off a duck's back for me. It kinda shocked me that someone trying to defend his/her beliefs would behave like that and say something like that, but I've surmised that this kind of behaviour is just a defence mechanism for JWs. They're afraid that they might find out just how wrong they are in some respects and of course, that would just pull the rug right out from under their feet, they wouldn't be able to handle it, their whole way of life would crumble, so they build walls and hide behind rude, condescending comments to protect themselves.

  -Becka :)
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  Problems/Questions on Practices and Beliefs

  by candysearching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread, but got no response.

  why do jws claim to not celebrate christmas and/or birthdays, but will accept gifts?

  why don't jws celebrate christmas/birthdays?

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  Super_Becka

  Ahh, another good thread on the weird WTS doctrines against holiday celebrations and their poor track record in predicting the future. I love reading these threads, I always find new information on them that I didn't have before.

  A comment on the whole "don't celebrate Christmas" thing:

  Before Rutherford, Bible Students (they would come to be known as Jehovah's Witnesses later on) were allowed and encouraged to celebrate Christmas, but when Rutherford took over, that celebration was demonized and shunned by JWs. On one of my threads, a poster commented that it was Rutherford's way of separating his organization from that of Russell. How accurate would that be?? It makes good sense to me.

  As for accepting gifts but not giving them for holidays, I think that's very selfish. If you don't celebrate something, you shouldn't accept gifts associated with it. That's like saying, "Birthdays are evil, but I love birthday cake" - it's hypocritical. Gift-giving is a big part of Christmas and other holidays, so if JWs refuse to take part in the celebrations and do everything in their power to demonize Christian celebrations, then they certainly shouldn't be accepting gifts on these occasions.

  For the false prophecies, it reminds me of Orwell's book, "1984" - Big Brother (aka the GB) likes to rewrite history and ignore the fact that they've been incredibly wrong in the past, or at least make up weak excuses for their errors so as to keep their followers loyal. Wouldn't want any JWs leaving the WTS on account of the organization's dishonesty and persistent doctrinal errors!!

  Just my two cents. I'm looking forward to what everyone else has to say about this.

  -Becka :)