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Answering JW Objections

by Rook in

2. the father is god .

4. the holy spirit is god .

simply put, the doctrine of the trinity states that there is one true god, and within that god there are three co-equal and co-eternal persons: father, son, and holy spirit.

Super_Becka

Very nice post, very informative and very interesting. Thanks, and welcome to the board!! I look forward to more posts from you.

-Becka :)

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Can DaVinci Code make Witnesses think?

by Lilycurly in

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i've just finished reading the book...and i know most of it is fiction, but some of you might have read it too.

as an ex-jw, it really made me think...the author has an excellent way to make one think outside the box without making it look like he wants to ram his ideas into your head...you know, it's kind of subtle, amongst all the action and enigmas.

my father loves to read...i really want him to read that book.

Super_Becka

I know of dubs who've read it. Dubs are reluctant to read it. Those that do are even more reluctant to tell others.

My boyfriend is an inactive, unbaptized JW who reads just about anything. He's read "The DaVinci Code" and "Angels and Demons" and he thoroughly enjoyed both and wasn't afraid to tell me that he liked them, but it most certainly didn't make him stop to think about the beliefs that he so stubbornly clings to. Granted, he doesn't follow all of the WTS's doctrines, just the more obvious ones, but still, this book had no effect on him whatsoever. It surprised me that he would read something to religiously charged, but it didn't faze him at all.

Maybe when the movie comes out, I'll take him to see it, men are visual creatures, maybe seeing the story represented on the big screen will get him thinking.

Hey, a girl can hope, right??

-Becka :)

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Contradiction in NWT

by Desino in

under which name must christians be saved?

well according to wts it is jehovah.

this is written in joel 2: 32 (read nwt).

Super_Becka

It would appear that the NWT is full of mistranslations and contradictions, according to lots of other posts I've read here. Personally, I'm sticking with my King James Version, thanks, it's been around for a few hundred years and I've never heard anyone bash its translation.

For anyone who defends the NWT, can you please direct me to scholarly research and references to support this argument?? I will not believe that the NWT is a viable and legitimate version of the Bible until I see proof from Bible scholars and scholars of ancient languages. If the NWT is an acceptable translation of the Bible, there should be no trouble finding scholarly works to back up that statement.

Thanks!!

-Becka :)

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Jw vs Christianity...

by Rook in

still wanna be a jw???.

jehovah's witnesses.

doctrinal comparison chartdoctrine/beliefjw supportchristian responseonly the watchtower society can interpret the bible.

Super_Becka

I certainly wouldn't call this table complete and definitive, but I do think that it provides lots of good examples, with support from the Bible, which is the basis of Christianity, of how the WTS twists concepts to fit their teachings and doctrines. This isn't to say that one is right and one is wrong, or that one is better than the other, it's just to say that, compared to the rest of Christendom, the WTS takes the Bible and twists it to support its strange, oppressive and dangerous doctrines. Who can argue with that??

My question is, how can JWs consider themselves Christians when they distort the Bible and reject so many traditional Christian practices, everything ranging from "love thy neighbour as thyself" and good Christian charity and helping the less fortunate without ulterior motives??

-Becka :)

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JWs and voting??

by Super_Becka in

i was talking to my jw boyfriend on the phone earlier today, just chatting about anything and everything, just like always, and we managed to drift to the topic of politics.

given that i'm in canada, that's not a hard thing to do, we had a federal election last week and we're about to swear in a new prime minister, so it's all anyone here can talk about right now.. as we chatted, i mentioned that i was very glad that i'd voted, though i'd had some trouble at my polling station, because i like exercising my democratic right to vote and now i have the right to complain about my government, and of course, he mentioned that he's never voted.

i wasn't at all surprised, i've always thought that jws weren't allowed to vote.

Super_Becka

The QFR article was 'published' to the R&F by the Writing Department at Crooklyn. At the time, a GB member, the dominant one Ted Jarasz, overlorded Service Department and they sent a letter to BOE with the result that local bodies of elders were, and still are, enforcing the old rules i.e. dubs don't vote
Does anyone ;have any access to this letter? ;

A scanned copy of this letter coupled would be great. Showing a copy of the letter to my wife along with what the WT said in the article might help her see the deviousness of the organization

Does anyone out there have a copy of this letter?? Maybe a .pdf or something?? There's gotta be someone out there with access to a copy of this.

-Becka :)

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JWs, why God's organisation and not His church?

by greendawn in

the jws call themselves an organisation and not a church except perhaps very rarely.

but is there something untoward hiding behind this choice?

to me it is objectionable because it ties in with the fds concept as god's sole channel on earth serving his supposed people.

Super_Becka

There is no indication that some in a covenant relationship (WTS's so called remnant) could start up an organization and include many who are not in a covenant relationship and yet call these God's people. No indication at all.

So what does the WTS use as a basis for their assertions that they are "God's Organization"?? Do they use direct Bible references or do they just twist things and quote out of context to make their story fit??

-Becka :)

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parent murder due to medical negligence: Dateline

by Thegoodgirl in

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did anyone see the dateline special tonight: a mom was accused of murder because her diabetic daughter died, and the mom wasn't controlling the girl's blood sugars at all?

(the mom was taught and literally said "don't tell me how to take care of my own daughter.

") the girl dies at like age 9 or so, and her hemoglobin a1c was 16.1. normal is about 6.5, and 12 would be really high, 16.1 is astronomical.

Super_Becka

I was so thinking, if this one goes through, how many Witness parents will go on trial for not giving blood to their kids who needed it? ; Do you think they should be charged for murder? ; And how fast would that blood policy be changed, do you think???

Personally, I think that if you refuse a readily-available and safe medical treatment for your child and the child dies because of your decision, then yes, you should definitely be charged with murder. You could have saved your child easily, but instead, you thought it over and decided to let the child die, in civilized society, we call that "pre-meditated murder". If you let your child die when you could easily save them, then yes, I think that qualifies you as a murderer, plain and simple. You're not just letting your child die, you're killing them with your decision. Congratulations, in a perfect world, you'd be serving 25 to life for that offense and they'd toss you in prison so fast your head would spin.

If this case with the diabetic child and her mother goes through, I don't think it'll have any bearing on JWs and their child-sacrifices for their insane and outdated blood rule. The WTS has too much money and too much clout to let anything happen to their members. I also don't think that it would have any bearing on the blood policy, that would be conforming to society's norms, and JWs aren't known for that.

The way things are going with the blood policy and the periodic relaxing of certain parts of it - like the fact that "blood fractions" are now permitted - I'd say that eventually, the WTS will change the blood policy enough so that it doesn't even apply anymore. It'll go from "no blood whatsoever" to "some blood components are OK" to "if you need blood, you can choose to accept it" to "Jehovah gave us the ability to transfuse blood, this is a gift from Him and we should avail of it".

Thoughts?? Opinions??

-Becka :)

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Do you know of gross mistranslations in the JW Bible (NWT)

by greendawn in

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for all you that have studied the subject what are some big distortions of the original scriptures hebrew and greek, that are to be found in the jw bible (nwt)?

i found that at 1 thessalonians 4:15-17 it says that the living christians in the final days will be snatched up as soon as the dead ones get resurrected.

that blows up the jw belief that the said resurrection occured in 1918 because they weren't taken up at the same time.

Super_Becka

Thanks for the reference, Athanasius, looks like an interesting read. I checked my university's library catalogue and there is a copy in the bookstacks, so I'll definitely be picking it up soon to check it out and see what it has to say.

Does anyone else have any suggestions for readings on the fallacies and mistranslations of the NWT??

Thanks again!!

-Becka :)

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JWs, why God's organisation and not His church?

by greendawn in

the jws call themselves an organisation and not a church except perhaps very rarely.

but is there something untoward hiding behind this choice?

to me it is objectionable because it ties in with the fds concept as god's sole channel on earth serving his supposed people.

Super_Becka

why God's organisation and not His church?
cause they aren't

Nicely put.

-Becka :)

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JWs, why God's organisation and not His church?

by greendawn in

the jws call themselves an organisation and not a church except perhaps very rarely.

but is there something untoward hiding behind this choice?

to me it is objectionable because it ties in with the fds concept as god's sole channel on earth serving his supposed people.

Super_Becka

Does the NWT state at any point that the WTS is "God's organization"?? Just curious as to the use of the word "organization" rather than "church" and whether or not the JWs use their Bible to justify that term.

"Church" seems to be a more appropriate word for a place of worship and/or for Christians in general, especially because of the Biblical references that use the word "church". The one that really stands out in my mind is Matthew 16:18 (King James Version) -

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

How would verses like this one read in the NWT??

-Becka :)

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