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Heh, I've never been a JW, but I've been here long enough to have acquired a few terms that I don't particularly like. They are, in no particular order:

- "The organization"

- "The Truth"

- "Unbeliever"

- "Apostate"

- "Worldly"

- "Paradise Earth"

- "The 144 000"

- "The Faithful and Discreet Slave"

- "Brothers" and "Sisters"

Just to name a few.

-Becka :)

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Why I belong to JWD

by Jez in

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my jw sil doesn't approve of me being on this site.

she has compared it to a black person having a friend that is a member of a anti-black community.

where else can you get so many varied opinions about a religion that i grew up in, would have died for, have family members that are members of, have questions about myself and find answers to some tough questions i have?

Super_Becka

I'm also here because I want some straight answers and evidence about the WTS and JWs in general. I've never been a JW, nor will I ever be, but I am dating an inactive JW, and I need to know what I'm up against. I could just ask him about his beliefs, but he can't answer all of my questions, he's not especially knowledgeable about the WTS and its policies and of course, he'd paint the WTS in a positive light because it's all he's ever known.

I want straight, real, honest answers, not canned JW answers.

My JW boyfriend has no idea that I post here, or even that I research his beliefs. Why not?? Because the last time I let it slip that I knew some things about the WTS, he got defensive and demanded to know where I got my information. Apparently, he is fully aware the the rest of the world not only thinks that JWs are a little odd, but can see the flaws in their reasoning and the lies that they spread as doctrine.

I can't just go along with this and hope that it all works out, I need to know what I'm in for, what sorts of things I'll have to deal with and what things the WTS hides and lies about, and I won't get those things from my boyfriend.

I haven't lied to him about my research, though, I just haven't told him about it because it doesn't come up in conversation. If he asks, I'll tell him, I can't lie to him, but until it comes up, I won't be letting him in on my research unless I'm absolutely ready for it.

I'm here to learn, I'm here for advice, I'm here to share stories, I'm here to make friends and talk to people who understand my situation.

That's why I'm here.

-Becka :)

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How many here put "wrong information" on their profile?

by JH in

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i just decided that i was a 36 year old female from kenya

Super_Becka

Alas, all of my profile and bio information are completely accurate, I'm a terrible liar, even on the Internet.

I am what I say I am - a 20-year-old girl from Newfoundland, nothing more, nothing less.

Damn honesty.

-Becka :)

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'I could easily kill someone' said the P.O.

by lowden in

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inspired by one of the other threas on todays board i was remindedof what the po of my 'then' cong' said just befors i left for good.. can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'if jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!!

stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer!

the phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.. what was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot.

Super_Becka

Would anyone want scans if I dug it out?

Yes please!!

-Becka :)

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'I could easily kill someone' said the P.O.

by lowden in

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inspired by one of the other threas on todays board i was remindedof what the po of my 'then' cong' said just befors i left for good.. can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'if jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!!

stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer!

the phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.. what was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot.

Super_Becka

Hehehe, no problem, elsewhere. All that matters is that we helped out Claw.

And hey, you have the whole article, that's better than I could do anyway.

Hehehe, I may be a "Master member" now, but I'm still just a newbie to the realm of the WTS, maybe someday I'll be as good as you are with the whole referencing WT articles bit. Something for me to aspire to!!

-Becka :)

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Time to start living again

by lola28 in

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time to start living again.

i have come to realize that for the last two years i have put my life on hold, i have not been living i have just been floating just existing but not living, not really living.

it is time for me to change this.

Super_Becka

Congratulations, lola, welcome back to the real world!!

I'm glad you've finally figured things out and are ready to move forward and make the best of your life and what you have, that's awesome!! Maybe you can't change the things that have happened to you, but you can certainly take charge of your life and your future and make it everything you want it to be!!

The world is your oyster!!

You're tough, I know you can do this!!

I raise my Pepsi can to you!!

-Becka :)

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'I could easily kill someone' said the P.O.

by lowden in

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friends

inspired by one of the other threas on todays board i was remindedof what the po of my 'then' cong' said just befors i left for good.. can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'if jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!!

stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer!

the phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.. what was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot.

Super_Becka

I've read WTS quotes that say that JWs would gladly kill apostates if the laws permitted it.

Becka, can you find these WT quotes? I would love to show them to my wife. I can't believe they would put something like that in writing.

Here's some:

*** w52 11/15 p. 703 Questions from Readers ***

In

the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped [disassociated], how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P. C., Ontario, Canada.

We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. . . Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation.

That one's from http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/101362/1748227/post.ashx#1748227.

And you might want to check out this post, too, there's more information on how to treat apostates (complete with references) there: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/44010/616698/post.ashx#616698

Here's part of that post (emphasis added by me):

"We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."

"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."

"The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof." (The Watchtower November 15th 1952 Issue)

Hope this helps, Claw.

-Becka :)

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'I could easily kill someone' said the P.O.

by lowden in

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inspired by one of the other threas on todays board i was remindedof what the po of my 'then' cong' said just befors i left for good.. can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'if jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!!

stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer!

the phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.. what was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot.

Super_Becka

Becka, can you find these WT quotes? I would love to show them to my wife. I can't believe they would put something like that in writing.

No problem, Claw, I'll look 'em up and post them shortly.

-Becka :)

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'I could easily kill someone' said the P.O.

by lowden in

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friends

inspired by one of the other threas on todays board i was remindedof what the po of my 'then' cong' said just befors i left for good.. can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'if jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!!

stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer!

the phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.. what was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot.

Super_Becka

Can't remember what the subject was but he ended up quite proudly announcing.....'If Jehovah asked me to.....i would have no trouble killing someone, i would find it easy'!! Stunned silence.......this man is now a circuit overseer! The phrase 'crazed extremist' comes to mind.
What was the most unbelievable, outrageous thing that was uttered in your earshot. Shock usand beat the above.

On one hand, I'm completely and utterly shocked that someone who professed to be a Christian would say this.

On the other hand, he's a JW, and with them, nothing surprises me anymore.

I've read posts on here about people who were threatened with stoning while being disfellowshipped, except that because of the law, murder is illegal.

I've read WTS quotes that say that JWs would gladly kill apostates if the laws permitted it.

Such a loving crowd.

-Becka :)

Super_Becka

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