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  Yes or No----Do You Believe That JWs Are A Cult?

  by minimus in

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  i believe they are "cultlike" but i don't think they are a "cult"........and you?

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  Yes

  BTW Simon, have you ever considered adding a poll function?
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  Circuit Assembly experience...

  by No Apologies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "and they're both getting baptised today!

  no, not that kind of experience.. .

  this happened this last weekend at the circuit assembly my (jw) wife attended.

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  I had no idea that they "went on with the show" after Lloyd Barry collapsed! How despicable! They even canceled opening day in baseball that one time the umpire collapsed and died.
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  "If anyone calls himself a BROTHER ,"...................

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  5:9-11, says that anyone who .....calls himself a brother and is a fornicator, idolater, drunkard and such, is not to be greeted or have a meal shared with them.

  the witnesses of course, apply this to anyone who calls themselves a witness, and is any of those things, yet still calls themselves a witness.. the problem i always had understanding is......if a person does not call himself a "brother" ( a witness) any longer, then how do they justify applying it to those who choose not to be recognised as such any longer?

  in the niv footnote section which gives a short commentary on scriptures.....it plainly says this applies to any who call themselves christians, and do these things.

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  Farkel pretty much hit the nail on the head of what I was attempting to say.

  You quote scriptuires as if the Witnesses actually care about any scripture that contradicts their policies. Its like every story I read about someone in the religion getting enlightened that the witnesses are full of shit and then calling them on it, and then getting all surprised when they are forcefully rebuffed and refuse to listen to reason. Well no duh, we should all know the witnesses' game by now. Anyone who is still in the mindset that "this isn't right, the scriptures say one thing, but the witnesses say another", is in dire need of making that next step, the one where you realize that the witnesses have nothing to do with God or his scriptures and that they actually are a nothing organization misleading millions.

  I am not advocating that we do nothing, as you must have missed in my post that I said:

  You are out, count that as a blessing. By all means do whatever you can to open the minds of those who are still in that will listen to you

  But I also offered the caveat that you quoted me on:

  but know that there is a deeply rooted mechanism implanted inside them to reject what you have to say, you are better off not losing sleep over it.

  We cant have this mindset that people are supposed to think logically and that they don't use emotion to guide their thinking. If this was the case it would be no problem to bring down the witnesses within months. But I'm sure many with experience will tell you that they can spit out fact after bloody fact to people in the religion and end up strengthening their faith in it! It all depends on the open minded-ness of the person that you are talking to, their willingness to take that leap of faith that I talked about earlier. Some, if not most, don't have the stomach for it. SO no, don't lose sleep if you cant get your loved ones out, don't fret. Its like trying to move mount everest, and sometimes the best offense is to not be so offensive. It depends on the situation. I have seen so many people (myself included) get so frustrated about how little they are able to accomplish with the people they love and care about who are still tied to this evil organization. Its just my advice to take it easy sometimes, don't let them continue to ruin YOUR life. You are already out, count that as a blessing, at least you do have that.
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  "If anyone calls himself a BROTHER ,"...................

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  5:9-11, says that anyone who .....calls himself a brother and is a fornicator, idolater, drunkard and such, is not to be greeted or have a meal shared with them.

  the witnesses of course, apply this to anyone who calls themselves a witness, and is any of those things, yet still calls themselves a witness.. the problem i always had understanding is......if a person does not call himself a "brother" ( a witness) any longer, then how do they justify applying it to those who choose not to be recognised as such any longer?

  in the niv footnote section which gives a short commentary on scriptures.....it plainly says this applies to any who call themselves christians, and do these things.

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  Regardless of what the scripture says or what they say their policy is, 3 elders can get together and disfellowship anyone for almost any reason and call it something bad. Thats just the way it is. The witnesses follow what the elders do because they think this is all from God and "Bible Based" and fear "god's judgement" (disfellowshipping from elders, losing ones friends, being marked, etc) themselves.

  Its that simple, no need to dwell on it, its part of their messed up policy and those who wish to be controlled will cherish it and love it (see 1984) and those who don't will leave and face the negative aspects (bieng shunned). But if you don't believe their tripe (and you shouldn't) then I wouldn't put stock in what they do or say, or what their policies are. You are out, count that as a blessing. By all means do whatever you can to open the minds of those who are still in that will listen to you, but know that there is a deeply rooted mechanism implanted inside them to reject what you have to say, you are better off not losing sleep over it.
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  What is the jw explanation of this

  by A Paduan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  and being aware of it, jesus said to them, "why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread?

  do you not yet perceive or understand?

  are your hearts hardened?

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  What is the jw explanation of this

  by A Paduan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  and being aware of it, jesus said to them, "why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread?

  do you not yet perceive or understand?

  are your hearts hardened?

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  Yeah Elsewhere I love this:

  I have this lifesaving information for you thats really important, but first you'll have to solve the RIDDLE OF DEATH!!!
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  Kingdom Hospital

  by Valis in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  eheh...anyone else into the stephen king stuff?

  i loved the stand and it and the langoliers...and now another one.... .

  sincerely,.

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  the ebullient but vacuous hospital administrator, Dr. Jesse James, who is concerned only with the hospital's image.

  Kingdom Hospital indeed...
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  Current Deception: March 8 Awake

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking for nonsense and half-truths in the awake continues to offer all the challenge.

  of shooting fish in a barrel.

  the latest scare-mongering is entitled "the nuclear threat.

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  taking fissile material and "dropping one half of it onto the other half."

  Funny! Jesus tap-dancing Christ!
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  My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 2

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  previous: my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1. .

  how many times have people said ?if i knew then what i know now??

  what a difference that would have made to my life.

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  RandomTask

  Yeah, in San Diego we had desks at nearly all the malls and in front of large stores like Wal Mart and Costco. Sure, it was easy time because absolutely NOBODY would come up and talk to you, but it could be potentially very embarassing if somebody you knew saw you. Thats the part I dreaded the most. At least I never lived in the territory that I attended, but at a store or mall, you never know who might see you. Although there were many witnesses who actually SOUGHT such a circumstance, we all know that they were FREAKS
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  My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 1

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a few people have asked how jwd came about and what my own story is and while i've posted it in bits and bobs, i've never tried to tell it as a story so here goes .... living in suburbia.

  i was born a jw to jw parents who had recently been missionaries / pioneers in ireland and taken literature into countries like spain when it was banned but who were now living in suburbia near to where they had both been brought up.

  we lived in a new semi-detached house in a cul-de-sac at the bottom of a hill - fantastic for building go-carts and racing down !

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  Well its not as if I have been one of the great Simon supporters, but its not as if I never wanted to hear this story. I'm interested, carry on...