Posts by just2sheep

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Is this one of the reasons they changed the Song Book?

by Gill in

just2sheep

gill,

you are correct about the soul and body being seperate enities, however added together they are a third enity. together they are what we call a "human being"...gasoline and the combustable engine are seperate things. combine them and you have a third thing. if the one responsible for the third thing(autos,motorcycles,machinery, etc.) chooses, for whatever reason, to not refuel(resurrect, remember, etc.) the engine when it runs out of gasoline it is still an engine, but it has no "life force" or fuel.

we all know that humans can kill another humans body. some of us believe we can all be "refueled", or resurrected, remembered or reincarnated. humans can kill humans, but humans cannot "refuel" humans.

another way i think of it is...are you damned because i say "goddamn you"?

am i "dead" because you say i am?

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Kool - Aid

by dozy in

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i was puzzled by the numerous references to this as we don't have this product in the uk , but realise (after googling) that it refers to the jonestown massacre.

the implication presumably being that jws are so dumb , they will do anything that those in authority ask them to do.

(shame this doesn't apply when i am looking for volunteers to stand in for the tms.

just2sheep

c orrect me if i'm wrong(lol),

but didn't a part of that 900 die from shotgunaid, pistolaid, or assaultrifleaid? i don't think everyone would drink the drink when offered so the hard core administered an alternative. but i'm sure your mother told you...bad associations will get you killed!

just goes to show--you don't have to drink the koolaid, you just have to be there when it's passed around.

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Hazeljane

by candidlynuts in

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you asked in your first post i'm just curious, is there anybody else on this sight from england, because everybody so far seems to be american or canadian.. cheers.

i'm american but yes there are some from england.. i posted this so they can say hi to you and welcome !

just2sheep

hi hazeljane,

cool name.

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WAS THIS A NO-NO FOR YOUR CONG. SHEPHERDING VISITS?

by juni in

i don't know where the elders learned this one.

maybe it was local - i don't know.

but.... these were shepherding calls to build you up spiritually so therefore no serving of coffee or cookies were allowed.. was this true with your congregation's shepherding visits?.

just2sheep

reminds me of the geico gehko commercial..."free pie and chips? of course i want free pie and chips. it's pie and chips for free!

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RACISM Behind 1909 Watch Tower Magazine Name Change

by West70 in

from 1879 through 1908, the magazine owned, operated, and edited by charles taze russell (not the zion's watch tower tract society) was offically named "zion's watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

with several changes caused by the move from pittsburgh to brooklyn to escape maria russell, her lawyers, and the pennsylvania courts, it was decided that the official name of the magazine be changed to "the watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

here are the official reasons for dropping the word "zion's", as stated in the december 15, 1908 issue: .

just2sheep

"i'm for including EVERYTHING"... terry, on this point we can agree to agree. if either one of us were racist we wouldn't be having this conversation so i'm not shrugging off or dismissing anything, i just don't feel i can do anything about policies or laws, and there were racist laws not just policies but laws, from 100 years ago. if the wtbts didn't have a problem with love and abuse of the flock none of us would be here. everything will be included in the indightment when the responsible ones are called to account. as one sheep around here is constantly reminding the other sheep, you reap what you sow. happy reaping to you and yours.

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Things I love about Texas

by IP_SEC in

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being that it's such an auspicious day for the great state.. things i love about texas.. 1. shiner bock.

2. san antonio.

3. corpus christi.

just2sheep

all the good things others have pointed out plus it is where i met my significant sweetie.

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RACISM Behind 1909 Watch Tower Magazine Name Change

by West70 in

from 1879 through 1908, the magazine owned, operated, and edited by charles taze russell (not the zion's watch tower tract society) was offically named "zion's watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

with several changes caused by the move from pittsburgh to brooklyn to escape maria russell, her lawyers, and the pennsylvania courts, it was decided that the official name of the magazine be changed to "the watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

here are the official reasons for dropping the word "zion's", as stated in the december 15, 1908 issue: .

just2sheep

terry,

are you telling me no white european american of color(just a different color) has never been discriminated against? my momma raised two children working as a nurse's aide beginning in the late 1940's. i can gurantee, you empty more than peoples' garbage on a job like that. can you tell me her color?

you are absolutely right, people of color were not treated with decency or respect in the past or for that matter the present. but then no one else is either. your comment about the "wrong shade of color" makes me ask...what is the wrong shade of color? mine? yours? swedes? tutsis? i don't see any thing wrong with any of them, and i don't think you do either.

you see a "horrible" disconnect with a church that claims a connection with the "king of the universe" and their lack of history in the civil rights movement. i see a "horrible" disconnect with the same church that makes the same claim(as do all religions) that has a lack of history in dealing with the problems i mentioned in my 1st post...blood, shunning, lawyers as religious leaders, hypocracy of all sorts at all levels, pedophiles in positions of power, lust for mo' money... you don't. hmmmm.....why, oh why?

let's take care of today's problems because those are the only ones you and i can actually have an affect on. history has passed and can only be changed in theroy not in fact.

j2s

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RACISM Behind 1909 Watch Tower Magazine Name Change

by West70 in

from 1879 through 1908, the magazine owned, operated, and edited by charles taze russell (not the zion's watch tower tract society) was offically named "zion's watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

with several changes caused by the move from pittsburgh to brooklyn to escape maria russell, her lawyers, and the pennsylvania courts, it was decided that the official name of the magazine be changed to "the watch tower and herald of christ's presence".

here are the official reasons for dropping the word "zion's", as stated in the december 15, 1908 issue: .

just2sheep

terry,

..."racism is a blight upon rational human thought and cannot be dismissed, excused, or watered down by explanations of social consciousness."

this may be true because racism (then-now-whenever) can only be dismissed, excused, or watered down for political expediancy. true then, true now.

..."they not only missed their chance to be a beacon of loving kindness--they were blind to the nature of their social depravity altogether"

who didn't, who isn't? shoulda, woulda, coulda...it is easy to criticize a policy from 100 years ago but it is also pretty much a waste of time because russell is dead, rutherford is dead, and any black african american person of color who was affected by this policy is dead...does that mean racism is dead? of course not. i can't force you to like me, i can't force you to adopt a new attitude, i can only force you to give me my legal due.

aren't there more pressing problems with the wtbts in 2006? blood, shunning, lawyers as religious leaders, hypocrisy of all sorts at all levels, pedophiles in position of power, lust for mo' money...

j2s

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They saw a body of water and they were baptized in one day after believing

by Star Moore in

the early christians...heard paul give a speech and hundreds got baptized..or thousands.

the early eleopian eunuch talked to phillip about the bible in acts.

8 and then saw a body of water and 'bamb' he was baptized.

just2sheep

star,

this is only part of it. i did a lot of research on baptism and the biggest problem i had was the policy of having to be an "unbaptized publisher"...there is not one case in the bible of anyone preaching before their baptism. not even jesus. i made a few enemies by declaring loud and long that i didn't find this scriptural and the only reason for this was a loyalty test of your intentions toward the wtbts. i made a few more enemies by refusing to do anything but go on return visits (to observe the process). of course since then i've made many other enemies...but a person is known as much by their enemies as their friends...some people have a problem with my attitude that not all in the congregation are my brothers, and as a matter fact some of them are my enemy.

i do believe and said so many times, that as an organization they have a right to set any membership rules they care to. but, if it isn't scriptural i have not obligated myself to follow them instead of jehova. the hardliners really hate this attitude. hehehe.

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Who is the King of Apostates ?

by Genesis in

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i would say either ray franz, randall waters, danny hasgard (sorry for the bad spelling dude) or satan.

what is your opinion on that ?

joff

just2sheep

you gotta love danny...a real common man's hero. i have always used jesus as a good example of an apostate jew. what about bill bowen at silentlambs(my introduction to "apostate" sites). with all this said i've come to believe that the wtbts is the king of christian apostates...