Posts by skeeter1

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WOW Scientology rants like Watchtower

by Refriedtruth in

scientology teaches that humans are infected by the souls of dead aliens called thetans.

jehovah's witnesses teach jesus had his second coming invisibly october 5th or 6th 1914. scientologists waterboarded and beat me, says former church official.

the sun-feb 16, 2012... she was waterboarded as part of the cult's twisted bid to control members.

skeeter1

It is being reported that Katie Holmes used a disposable cell phone to start the divorce with Tom Cruise. Spies, spies, and lies.

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

skeeter1

An 8 day vacation in NYC, that would be several thousand for a family of four!

Even 3 days in a hotel room is easily $300, plus food in restaurants. That's alot of money! Especially for a group that doesn't want higher education!

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Avoid Testing God in Your Heart - transcript of talk from District Convention 2012

by wannabefree in

for those who don't care to listen to the talk but would like to know what was said ... here ya go .... .

avoid testing god in your heart.

imagine the ancient israelites as they were slaves in egypt, under an oppressive pharaoh.. god brought nine plagues on egypt and then announced a tenth; the firstborn would be struck down.. can you imagine the cry that went out in egypt when the firstborn died, including pharaoh's own son?.

skeeter1

How all cults are run:

Rule #1) The leader(ship) speaks for God. Convince all new recruits (and constantly remind the flock) of this "fact".

Rule #2) The leader(ship) tells all to "sit down, shut up, or else." See Rule #1.

You begin to see how easily the Koolaid could go down.....

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

skeeter1

I'm not an expert in ADA law. Wish I was now. I do know that it applies to new construction and to renovations. Old buildings are grandfathered.

Renting a public stadium. Stadiums have steep steps. I don't know how sisters in high heels do it. One slip, and you can really hurt yourself (and others). JWN has had threads on people getting hurt/dying at DCs. Here's some proof. I wonder if the WTS has a database of accidents occuring at various locations, and if public stadiums are more risky.

When the WTS holds a public stadium, I imagine that it uses the stadium's bleachers and chairs? Or,does the WTS use its own?

The WTS's liability may be in that they did not have enough offer enough seating for the disabled (i.e.not providing access). Or, what if the bleachers were really the Watchtower's (or rented from a third party)?

Now, what I wonder is what moving the DCs to assembly halls? I've not been in an AH since 1986, when one was being built west of Ft. Lauderdale. Are they "safer"(i.e. carpeted, less stairs, more access for disabled)? The WTS can "control" their own assembly hall better then a stadium. Just like they can't control a book study's house....

But most of all, the Victors (JWs who transported and brought the old woman to the DC) are in a pickle. What's that old saying, no good deed goes unpunished? The lawsuit appear to be saying that the Victors were agents of the WTS. I don't know if the Victors were elder/MS or just a regular "minister." They brought the old woman to the DC, got the hotel room, found her a seat, helped her with the stairs, and suggested the group leave early to avoid the rush at the end of the day, etc. The dead woman's family is saying that the Victors owed a duty to the old woman. But, the Victors are fighting back by replying they are just attendies. Sounds like Candice Conti's case. . . . and Victoria, Aust. The Plaintiffs are trying to get at the rank and file "ministers". In Conti (and Austrailia?), it was determined that the WTS is responsible for the rank & file "ministers"?

So, now, all you lurking "ministers", keep this new case in mind when you invite to bring someone to any meeting. You could be sued if something goes wrong.

Skeeter

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

skeeter1

Hello all, did anyone read my last post a page ago?

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

skeeter1

There is a new lawsuit filed against the Watchtower. The case is 12-1641 United States District Court of the Eastern District of Louisiana ("Maddox v. Integro Insurance Brokers, Christian Congregation of New York, Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witneses, Inc. and Victors").

From reading some of the court documents, this is what I gather happened...

A JW couple, the Victors, drove an elderly person to the District Convention. The DC was at apparently at the Mitchell Center at the University of South Alabama on July 1-3, 2011,

At the DC, the Victors and elderly woman tried to find a seat for in the elderly section at the bottom floor. But the attendant said that there was no seat. So, they went back into the stands and found a seat. Unfortunately, when the group left taking the stairs, the elderly woman slipped and fell. The injuries led to her death. Her family is now suing the WTS & the JWs who took her to the convention.

The lawsuit appears to be suing under the American with Disability/Fair access type laws, as well as tort laws, requiring special care and access for anyone who needs it.

.....

I don't have the full court documents yet. Stay tuned.

But, could this case be the reason the WTS wants to move all conventions to their facilities?

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

skeeter1

I think I might have discovered a reason for the "no assembly" rumors . . . . LAWSUIT!

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Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists 'creepy, maybe even evl'

by skeeter1 in

rupert murdoch: scientologists creepy, maybe even evil by dylan stableford, yahoo!

news | the lookout 7 hrs agorupert murdoch delivers a keynote address on education reform in san francisco on oct. 14, 2011.

(ap).

skeeter1

Well, Mr. Murdoch. I sent you several JW storys that were also "creepy & evil" but you didn't run them!!!

Perhaps Mr. Murdoch will learn more about cults and he will be a flash point to information! Wouldn't THAT be grand.

Skeeter

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Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists 'creepy, maybe even evl'

by skeeter1 in

rupert murdoch: scientologists creepy, maybe even evil by dylan stableford, yahoo!

news | the lookout 7 hrs agorupert murdoch delivers a keynote address on education reform in san francisco on oct. 14, 2011.

(ap).

skeeter1

Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists ‘creepy, maybe even evil’

By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 7 hrs ago

Rupert Murdoch delivers a keynote address on education reform in San Francisco on Oct. 14, 2011. (AP)

Rupert Murdoch, New Corp. chief executive and outspoken octogenarian media mogul, took to Twitter on Sunday to weigh in on the breakup of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. And Murdoch's tweets about Scientology sparked a big backlash.

"Scientology back in news," Murdoch tweeted. "Very weird cult, but big, big money involved with Tom Cruise either number two or three in [hierarchy]."

The owner of Fox News, Wall Street Journal and New York Post followed the "cult" comment with another tweet.

"Watch Katie Holmes and Scientology story develop," Murdoch wrote. "Something creepy, maybe even evil, about these people."

While Cruise is often associated with Viacom's Paramount Pictures, the Los Angeles Times noted, he has also starred in films for 20th Century Fox--the studio owned by News Corporation--and is "known for being prickly about being challenged about his involvement with Scientology."

Murdoch, though, is standing by his comments.

"Since Scientology tweet hundreds of attacks," he wrote later. "Expect they will increase and get worse and maybe threatening. Still stick to my story."

After a user asked Murdoch for his thoughts on Mormonism, he responded: "Mormonism a mystery to me, but Mormons certainly not evil."

Earlier Sunday, Murdoch used Twitter to criticize Mitt Romney's campaign.

"Met Romney last week," Murdoch wrote. President Obama's reelection campaign--comprised of "tough" Chicago political veterans--will be tough to beat, Murdoch added, unless Romney "drops old friends from team and hires some real pros. Doubtful."

It's not the first time the 81-year-old has expressed his doubts about Romney's electability. Last week, Murdoch tweeted: "When is Romney going to look like a challenger? Seems to play everything safe, make no news except burn off Hispanics."

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Greetings! My first post

by BU2B in

hello all at jwn!

i have been a lurker here the last few months and have been going through the process of researching both sides of the story of jehovahs witnesses.

i was raised in the borg, got married and now have a young child.. my wife is very much dedicated to the organization and will justify anything the "slave" does putting it off on the borgs imperfection.

skeeter1

Welcome!