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  I think many of you will return to the religion one day

  by free2beme in

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  i don't mean this as an insult, more of a life experience thing.

  i saw a lot of people leave in my years there and a lot were angry with the religion and the people, and some even protested the kingdom halls and wrote things in the newspapers.

  a lot though, came back in time, as it was just the comfort zone they felt at ease in.

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  Free2bme is smoking something illegal. Elvis, like all of us, has left the building.
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  Who didn't get picked in any of the "most hot" lists?

  by MsMcDucket in

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  i will tell you why i think that you didn't get picked later.

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  Auldsoul, you're such a teez to this Southerner. So, have you ever seen this movie? Maybe Low Key & I should get together?

  
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

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  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  You see, we can make a change for the better!
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  Who didn't get picked in any of the "most hot" lists?

  by MsMcDucket in

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  i will tell you why i think that you didn't get picked later.

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  I did not get picked. Guess my androgynous, Southern smile isn't hot.
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  IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

  by DannyHaszard in

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  religion today

  monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

  new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

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  Great that the WTS has decided to GIVE something away. Amazing!

  Next step, think the WTS will GIVE (not loan) any of the millions of dollars in assets it owns to individual JWs to help fray bloodless techniques or fraction usage? Or, does the recent letter to the congregations ordering JWs to be financially independent say how tightfisted they truly are. I do not think the WTS will ever help pay the individual JWs medical costs. It's not much of a photo opportunity as giving away these machines to hosptials. But, it would be nice if they did "put their money where their mouth is."
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  Merit of Non-Blood Medical Treatment

  by billyboy in

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  how do posters feel about the physicians , doctors , surgeons and others giving their experiences and views in the societies videos and dvds?.

  is the prevailing view that these are amateurs and/or stooges who do not represent mainstream medical opinion?

  or do some posters feel that these clinicians maybe have some justification for their views?.

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  Let me ask you some questions.

  Would you trust an answer where the actor may have been paid for his opinion?

  Would you trust an answer where you can not hear the question that was asked?

  Would you trust an answer where you can not hear the full answer (i.e. the editing department "cut" material)?

  Knowing how the Society twists secular writers who wrote in medical journals which can be verified, what makes youthink you can trust the Society to produce an accurate DVD where the medical doctor may be paid for his "testimony", where the answer you hear may not be to the question asked, and where the answer you "think" you hear may have been cut & pasted?
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  Seriously, they`re burning down our embassys now.

  by Hellrider in

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  the cartoon-rage continues.

  in syria, protesters have now burned the norwegian and danish embassys to the ground.

  the latest news is that they are rioting in copenhagen, denmark, where 200 moslems have stormed the sentral station (the railwaystation), and throwing bricks and rocks.

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  To me, who has not lived in the Muslim world, it can appear to be touchy, touchy. Maybe if I had a different upbringing, it would not be so funny. But, isn't it like a cartoonist depicting Jesus leading the Spanish Inquisition. Some Catholics would be offended, but I'm not sure if there would be rioting. I think the rioting is the result, not of the cartoons, but of the state of the Muslim/Christian tensions that are mounting. In Europe, Muslims make up a large part of the population. The Europeans must feel like they are getting inundated, and the Muslims feel ....well, like rioting. In any event, violent rioting is NOT the answer and does nothing to advance the cause.
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  IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

  by DannyHaszard in

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  2. medical

  religion today

  monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

  new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

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  Gary,

  see www.ajwrb.org

  Watchtower Approves HemoPure for Jehovah's Witnesses

  Jehovah's Witnesses have long been known for their rejection of blood and blood-component transfusion, even when it is necessary to save life. In a remarkable change in policy, the Witnesses’ governing body announced in the June 15, 2000 issue of its official church publication The Watchtower, that members may now accept "fractions of any of the primary components" of blood. (Italics added) Previously, Witnesses who accepted a transfusion of blood fractions other than those found in plasma faced possible expulsion and enforced shunning by church members.

  This change in policy was particularly timely for one man. According to a September 24, 2000 article in the Sacramento Bee, a patient was recently transfused with Hemopure®, a highly purified oxygen-carrying hemoglobin solution made from fractionated bovine (cow) blood and manufactured by Biopure Corporation.

  Dorsey Griffith, a medical writer for the Bee, states that Gregory Brown, a representative from the Jehovah's Witnesses Hospital Liaison Committee, approved the use of the oxygen-carrying solution that was transfused into the patient, Jose Orduño. The article notes: “When Orduño woke up from his drug-induced slumber, about a month after the ordeal began, Angelica was there …His sister told him about the accident and how he almost died, and about the drug made from cow blood that had saved his life.”

  That approval of the use of hemoglobin marks a notable change in the Watchtower Society’s policy is readily seen from its own published statements:

  “Is it wrong to sustain life by administering a transfusion of blood or plasma or red cells or others of the component parts of the blood? Yes!...The prohibition includes "any blood at all." (Leviticus 3:17) - Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, 1961, pp. 13, 14

  “…various tonics and tablets sold by druggists show on their labels that they contain blood fractions such as hemoglobin. So it is necessary for one to be alert… if they are to keep themselves ‘without spot from the world.’—Jas. 1:27.” The Watchtower, 9/15/61, p. 557.

  “Early in man’s history, our Creator ruled that humans should not eat blood. (Genesis 9:3, 4) He stated that blood represents life, which is a gift from him. Blood removed from a creature could be used only in sacrifice, such as on the altar. Otherwise, blood from a creature was to be poured on the ground, in a sense giving it back to God ...It would be right, of course, to avoid products that listed things such as blood, blood plasma, plasma, globin (or globulin) protein, or hemoglobin (or globin) iron.” The Watchtower, 10/15/92 - Questions From Readers. (Italics added)

  As recently as 1998 two officials from the Watchtower Society’s “Hospital Information Services” wrote that Jehovah's Witnesses “do not accept hemoglobin which is a major part of red blood cells.... Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept a blood substitute which uses hemoglobin taken from a human or animal source." Bailey R, Ariga T. The view of Jehovah's Witnesses on blood substitutes. Artif Cells Blood Substit Immobil Biotechnol 1998;26:571-576.

  The policy on hemoglobin and other blood fractions was changed in the June 15, 2000 issue of The Watchtower. This latest change may in fact cause further confusion for many Witnesses since products like Hemopure® are derived from large quantities of stored animal blood. Numerous witnesses have questioned the logic of such an internally inconsistent dogma. Some believe that the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is simply changing its long-standing doctrine gradually to avoid legal problems anticipated with an overt change to a policy that has resulted in so many deaths over the years.

  Hemopure® is currently being evaluated for human use in a pivotal, multinational Phase III clinical trial. Biopure expects to complete this trial and file Biologic License Applications (BLA’s) in the United States, European Union and Canada in 2001 for perioperative use in elective surgeries. The company has already applied for marketing approval of Hemopure® in South Africa with a proposed product indication to eliminate or reduce red blood cell transfusions in elective surgeries. Biopure is also investigating the product's use in trauma, to oxygenate hypoxic tumors, and in conditions where tissue oxygenation may be beneficial but blood is not normally transfused.

  The “compassionate use” program makes Hemopure® available where a life-threatening situation exists and compatible red blood cell transfusion is 1) not available, 2) not effective, or 3) not acceptable to the patient. Requests for “compassionate use” availability of Hemopure® may come from the family or doctor of the patient; thereafter the patient, the patient’s medical institution, and Biopure must approve the request, which is then forwarded along with details of the case for final approval by the FDA. Approval is made on a case-by-case basis, and in those cases where it has been approved, it has been made available within a few days. Requests for information regarding “compassionate use” approval of Hemopure® should be directed to Jan Anderson, R.N., of Biopure. Her telephone number is 617-234-6827. For further information see the Biopure website at: http://www.biopure.com.

  A.J.W.R.B. welcomes the recent developments but will continue to work for further revisions in the Watchtower Society’s blood policy. We believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses should have a free choice in their medical treatment without controls or sanctions from the Watchtower Society that could separate them from their religious community or Jehovah’s Witness family members and friends.
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  IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  religion today

  monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

  new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

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  You are correct, hemoglobin is a fraction of the red blood cell. But the letters h-e-m-o-g-l-o-b-i-n are mysteriously missing from the 2004 WT. Why is this the case you might ask?

  The October 15, 1992 Watchtower said “It would be right, of course, to avoid products that listed things such as blood, blood plasma, plasma, globin [or globulin] protein, or hemoglobin [or globin] iron.”

  In 2004, the WT basically said 'same policy as in 1981.' Well, what about hemoglobin? Not clear per the Watchtower's writings which last lumped those h-e-m-o-g-l-o-b-i-n letters in with satanic blood, blood plasma, globin protien, etc. Only clear if you have the Sacramento Bee which ran a story on a JW man who was (as we ex-JW's may still be fearful to say) "lucky."

  So, is the policy the same or different? Who knows. But, I have an intuition that those HLC members get hemoglobin on a "daily" basis for JWs....

  Now you see it, now you don't. Smoke & Mirrors. Admit, but don't admit.

  Skeeter
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  IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

  by DannyHaszard in

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  religion today

  monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

  new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

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  I do not think the June 2004 Watchtower said the word "Hemoglobin". So, it is STILL in limbo.