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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

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  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  "Private Matter" my rats ass!

  Erythropoietin takes WEEKS to work and is DANGEROUS.
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

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  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  Barf Alert.... apply directly to forehead.

  Witnesses play down transfusions for premature sextupletsRandy Shore, with files from Pamela Fayerman, CanWest News Service; Vancouver Sun

  Published: Thursday, January 11, 2007

  VANCOUVER - The Jehovah's Witnesses national organization issued a statement Wednesday in an attempt to quell widespread media speculation about the medical treatment of sextuplets born prematurely to a woman at B.C. Women's Hospital.

  ''Discussions about treatment are private matters between the parents and their treating medical team,'' it reads.

  The brief text states that church members are allowed to receive any modern medical intervention, except blood transfusions. Several alternative treatments have been employed successfully in the treatment of premature infants, it says, including minimizing blood sampling, and using the hormone erythropoietin and iron to stimulate production of red blood cells.

  Neonatologists say blood transfusions are routine for infants of 25-week gestational age. Transfusions are used to treat anemia and jaundice and may also be needed because premature babies have very low blood volume and hospital staff need to draw blood regularly to monitor the infants' health.

  The Jehovah's Witnesses statement was released after front-page stories in national and Vancouver newspapers Wednesday indicating the issue of the babies' treatment may end up in court because of the blood-transfusion ban.

  Church spokesman Mark Ruge said the statement was issued as a response to the stories, and that it's premature to speculate about the need for medical and legal intervention.

  ''It is important for the media and others to avoid making stereotypical assumptions regarding Jehovah's Witnesses,'' the statement said.

  It also quotes from a 2004 ruling by the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench that it says directs governments and the courts to avoid the assumption that ''the doctor has always recommended the only acceptable treatment'' and that patients are ''always wrong'' to refuse transfusions.

  Matt Gordon, spokesman for the Ministry of Children and Family Development, would not say whether the ministry has had any contact with staff or administrators at B.C. Women's Hospital about the sextuplets. But he said that if health care workers believe a child's health is at risk because a parent has refused to consent to treatment recommended by a doctor, they have a legal duty tell a child protection worker.

  At that point, he said, the ministry would take steps to ensure a child's safety, which might include seeking a court order to allow treatment or, in cases where quick action is needed to preserve life or prevent permanent harm, taking immediate temporary custody of the child.

  The B.C. government has previously used the courts to attempt to force minors to undergo potentially life-saving procedures.

  A Jehovah's Witness teenager was ordered by the B.C. Supreme Court to undergo blood transfusions as part of her cancer treatment in 2005. The court said that because the girl, then 14, was a minor, she could not refuse transfusions if doctors deemed them medically necessary.

  She fled to Ontario and eventually received bloodless treatment in New York after the B.C. government negotiated a deal with her family for her transfer to Schneider Children's Hospital, which specializes in ''blood avoidance'' treatment.

  [email protected]

  Vancouver Sun
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  NEED YOUR HELP TO SAVE SEXTUPLETS.....WRITE THE CANADA MEDIA

  by skeeter1 in

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  canada's first sextuplets were born to jehovah's witness parents.

  they were born at 25 weeks (not 40 weeks as is common with full-term).

  due to their prematurity, they will most likely need blood transfusions.

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  Canada's first sextuplets were born to Jehovah's Witness parents. They were born at 25 weeks (not 40 weeks as is common with full-term). Due to their prematurity, they will most likely need blood transfusions. Even with blood transfusions, they face many complications. However, modern medicine suggestst that they have a 50/50 chance at life surmounting these obstacles (provided, of course, they get blood transfusions). Without the transfusions, I think all will die. The JW media men are, basically, trying to own the Canadian media by giving false information and trying to build pressure that these 6 should have bloodless treatment.

  These 6 babies need your help contacting all of the Canadian media, especially in the Vancouver/Brittish Columbia area where the lie in an ICU. I wrote the following. Please feel free to use it as a base, or to pen your own.

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  Dear (Newspaper):

  I write in the hopes of helping to save 6 little lives. It is clear that these sextuplets will likely need a blood transfusion, but are born to Jehovah's Witness parents.

  The Jehovah's Witness church purports to not accept blood or blood products. They base this belief that mankind should abstain from blood, and that blood, once removed from the body, should be covered in dust (i.e. not reused). Yet, you might be surprised to learn that the Church's "no-blood" policy allows its followers to accept "blood fractions" (all derived from donated blood), that if added together would equal a whole unit of blood from which they were derived (see www.ajwrb.org for a chart on the allowed blood fractions). Most followers, medical community, and media are unaware of this sly change.

  Not all Jehovah's Witnesses and many ex-followers do not follow the Church's official "no blood" position. They see it as nonsense. The Church purports to "abstain from blood", and that blood should be covered in dust and not reused. Yet, all of the allowed fractions were derived from multiple, if not thousands, of units of donated blood, and has the nerve to call this treatment part of its "bloodless" program. A rose by another name smells sweeter.

  Last year, the Associated Press and BBC reported on a peer-reviewed legal article, "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation" which appeared in the Journal of Church & State. I invite you to read it, available through www.ajwrb.org. The article looks at the Jehovah's Witness Church's misquoting of medical writers, and the various "flip flops" in the Church's official policy. I noticed that the Vancouver Sun reported that church officials suggested the use of erythropoietin injections to help build up the baby's blood. In fact, the Church tells its followers that this drug works "very quickly". The legal article explains that this shot takes 3 weeks to work. Is that "very quickly" in your mind? The legal article also looks at the various "flip flops" in the Church's official policy. In the 1950's, fractions were not allowed whatsoever. This changed through the years. However, in the October 15, 1992 Watchtower, the Church officially banned the fraction "hemoglobin". Hemoglobin is, basically, the insides of the red blood cell and is responsible for transporting oxygen to the cells. The Church unofficially began allowing its followers to take hemoglobin in 2000, and last year officially announced this change to its followers.

  These 6 little ones should be allowed to have needed blood transfusions, and not enslaved to the Jehovah's Witness church's ever-changing, nonsensical view that it "abstains" from blood. Let these sextuplets have a fighting chance at life. We can not allow this Church to make martyrs of precious little babies.
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  Dear (Newspaper):

  I write in the hopes of helping to save 6 little lives. It is clear that these sextuplets will likely need a blood transfusion, but are born to Jehovah's Witness parents.

  The Jehovah's Witness church purports to not accept blood or blood products. They base this belief that mankind should abstain from blood, and that blood, once removed from the body, should be covered in dust (i.e. not reused). Yet, you might be surprised to learn that the Church's "no-blood" policy allows its followers to accept "blood fractions" (all derived from donated blood), that if added together would equal a whole unit of blood from which they were derived (see www.ajwrb.org for a chart on the allowed blood fractions). Most followers, medical community, and media are unaware of this sly change.

  Not all Jehovah's Witnesses and many ex-followers do not follow the Church's official "no blood" position. They see it as nonsense. The Church purports to "abstain from blood", and that blood should be covered in dust and not reused. Yet, all of the allowed fractions were derived from multiple, if not thousands, of units of donated blood, and has the nerve to call this treatment part of its "bloodless" program. A rose by another name smells sweeter.

  Last year, the Associated Press and BBC reported on a peer-reviewed legal article, "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation" which appeared in the Journal of Church & State. I invite you to read it, available through www.ajwrb.org. The article looks at the Jehovah's Witness Church's misquoting of medical writers, and the various "flip flops" in the Church's official policy. I noticed that the Vancouver Sun reported that church officials suggested the use of erythropoietin injections to help build up the baby's blood. In fact, the Church tells its followers that this drug works "very quickly". The legal article explains that this shot takes 3 weeks to work. Is that "very quickly" in your mind? The legal article also looks at the various "flip flops" in the Church's official policy. In the 1950's, fractions were not allowed whatsoever. This changed through the years. However, in the October 15, 1992 Watchtower, the Church officially banned the fraction "hemoglobin". Hemoglobin is, basically, the insides of the red blood cell and is responsible for transporting oxygen to the cells. The Church unofficially began allowing its followers to take hemoglobin in 2000, and last year officially announced this change to its followers.

  These 6 little ones should be allowed to have needed blood transfusions, and not enslaved to the Jehovah's Witness church's ever-changing, nonsensical view that it "abstains" from blood. Let these sextuplets have a fighting chance at life. We can not allow this Church to make martyrs of precious little babies.

  ne
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  I agree that we need a media blitz. I wrote the following without my cup of jo. Please edit and send to a newspaper in Canada. 6 lives hang in the balance.
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  In the time of Job, a fetus's viability would have been not likely, if at all, at any time before full term (37-40 weeks). Why? the lungs are the last to develop and often collapse (i.e. "sticky lungs"). With modern medicine, we continue to push back the baby's point of viability. Now, a chance of hope exists at 23 weeks. Modern medicine makes the Society's article even more "quacky" than it already is.

  Plus, what if the woman miscarried because of her own imperfection? Women with immune disorders or blood clotting problems often can not carry without the help of blood thinners. They lose babies in the 2nd & 3rd trimester. Say, a woman "miscarried" at 32 weeks due to a clotting disorder. In the time of Job, this baby would likely not have survived. Now, if the mother was perfect in the "new world"(tm), she could have carried the baby full term. What then, oh lord Watchtower?

  Most miscarriages are due to chromosomal abnormalities of the baby. In the "new world" where we are all to become perfect again, wouldn't Jehovah God be able to "fix" the chromosomal abnormalities of the fetus?

  The Watchtower's speculation on "new world" "what if's" just makes me sick as a duck. Quack, quack.

  Skeeter
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  What is your Favorite coffee, mocha, latte, cap, etc?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i am a rather old fogey on the matter - just black and hot.

  but i like the occasional mocha.. what use of this universal bean is your favorite?

  how many do you drink a week?

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  skeeter1

  Dunkin Donuts coffee
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  Hamsterbait,

  Please, please, please tell me where/when the Society said that unborn babies would not be resurrected. I was unaware of that statement.

  Thanks,
  Skeeter.
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  What are the babies chances? The Brittish Journal of Medicine had the following:

  http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/329/7467/675.pdf

  Babies born at 25 weeks gestation survive to hospital discharge at a 44% rate. (Remember, this statistic is for those babies who get medical treatment, including transfusions). Of those who survive, about 23% will be without a handicap at 30 months (2 1/2 years).

  I hope God, if he's out there, steps in.

  Skeeter
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  skeeter1

  kid-A,

  The JW officials obviously want to still paint a "no-blood" picture. What hypocrites! They basically are lying to the public to "save face", and at the expense of 6 innocent babies.

  Skeeter