Welcome!
Skeeter
hello, i've been lurking for a few months now.
like many others here i've been through quite a bit lately, and what i've learned (thanks to jwd) is very eye opening to say the least.
will write my story when i have time.
Welcome!
Skeeter
just a one-page article on an ex-jw support group in toronto.
macleans is canada's version of "time" with a large circulation.
it's also the magazine that did the large article on the septuplets.
This article will further solidify to the public at large that the JWs are a cult. The public will see that the religion messes up people's minds and lives. Alot has been written about the JWs coercive policies in Canada, especially regarding blood & shunning. This furthers the cause.
The active JWs will consider this more badgering by Satan to deter the Slave Class. Plus, it will further cement that those who leave, leave Jehovah's good graces behind. Otherwise, the ex-JWs wouldn't need to be on pills & all wimpy sounding. The average dub will not admit that many, many, many current JWs are also depressed, screwed in the head, and on prescription "happy" pills. Hypocrisy.
Skeeter
just a fluffy question ~~~.
were you a freak?
jock?
I had motivation.
Both of my parents were childish idiots in the Borg. They both had problems with violence. My siblings were stuck in dead end jobs, and were constantly running back home or asking for money. I wanted O-U-T of the family home, and realized the way to do it was to get a decent paying job. Once I was in college, the parents were older & calmer. Otherwise, I would have left & made my way on student loans & every odd job imaginable.
Skeeter
just a fluffy question ~~~.
were you a freak?
jock?
High school? Was in college prep with an awesome SAT & ACT scores. Was mildly attractive, but way too skinny to get a decent date.
Dumped the Dubs and went to college after high school. JW parents said to keep it quiet & go. They made me live at home. So, I did not party much. But, I got damn good paying jobs afterwards. This made my family life much easier than my parents had it or my siblings.
Both parents wanted to attend college but did not due to the Borg. But, after 1975...they both went to college. My older siblings did not go to college...it was nearing 1975. After 1975, one sibling went to college. The others went to technical schools.
Just had a niece graduate with a Masters!
Skeeter
just a fluffy question ~~~.
were you a freak?
jock?
High school? Was in college prep with an awesome SAT & ACT scores. Was mildly attractive, but way too skinny to get a decent date.
Dumped the Dubs and went to college after high school. JW parents said to keep it quiet & go. They made me live at home. So, I did not party much. But, I got damn good paying jobs afterwards. This made my family life much easier than my parents had it or my siblings.
Both parents wanted to attend college but did not due to the Borg. But, after 1975...they both went to college. My older siblings did not go to college...it was nearing 1975. After 1975, one sibling went to college. The others went to technical schools.
Just had a niece graduate with a Masters!
Skeeter
my favorite would have to be marvin the martian (first appearance 1948).
everything about him cracks me up, from his roman gladiator helmet and kilt, to the way he walks and speaks ("that makes me angry, very angry indeed"), to the ultra cool devices he uses (suprisingly, from acme, who apparantly has outlets on mars).
a very close second, almost a tie, would have to go to droopy (first appearance 1943), who also walks and speaks in a humorous manner, and who has abilities far beyond what would be expected from his dimunitive size.
Scooby Doo
Fat Albert
Ben 10
my favorite would have to be marvin the martian (first appearance 1948).
everything about him cracks me up, from his roman gladiator helmet and kilt, to the way he walks and speaks ("that makes me angry, very angry indeed"), to the ultra cool devices he uses (suprisingly, from acme, who apparantly has outlets on mars).
a very close second, almost a tie, would have to go to droopy (first appearance 1943), who also walks and speaks in a humorous manner, and who has abilities far beyond what would be expected from his dimunitive size.
Scooby Doo
Fat Albert
Ben 10
i have a teenage daughter and she is very lazy.
we have to get on her constantly to get her room clean, when asked about her progress, her answer is always"i am working on it".
then when we check, it is usually worse than the day before.
To add to my previous post....
Teenagers do not "date" like we did. Instead, they "hook up" at another teenager's house where the parents are not home. Typically, there are a handful of them. They pair off & go into the bedrooms. Oral sex is now considered petting, and going all the way is the norm. There is little expectation of a long term relationship...or even a McDonalds & a movie date. Girls & boys are getting the message that a girl has to have a career, and a "relationship" would slow them down. It is misguided, and has terrible consequences.
You need to instill into your daughter that she has value. She is valuable enough for a proper dating relationship (getting to know the guy, his family, etc. before she has sex with him.). Establishing these principles starts in the early teenage years. If you have a grown male (father, brother, etc.\) you can trust, please ask him to take your daughter on a traditional date - dinner & a movie. Have him do this once a month or every other month.
Also, all females need t-o-u-c-h. We hug & kiss & tickle little girls...but once they get boobs we are hands off. They get lonely and....look for love in all the wrong places. Make sure you give her a hug, and that others around you that you can trust do the same. It will also help to establish her worth. She might feel abandoned by her father, furthering her downward sense of self-worth.
Also, kids mimic what you do. Make sure you are correctly handling any dating relationship. You sound like a great mom.
Skeeter
i have a teenage daughter and she is very lazy.
we have to get on her constantly to get her room clean, when asked about her progress, her answer is always"i am working on it".
then when we check, it is usually worse than the day before.
I listened to James Dobson (Focus on the Family) about how to handle teenagers. His mother did some of the following to him, and it worked.
Right now, you are the enemy & fighting with her. You've got to get on her side.
#1. Make a list of all the "freedoms" she will have when she turns 18. Go over the list with her.
Drive car. Form contract. Buy clothes. Work. Own car. Able to join military. Able to stay out late, late, late. Go to college/school. Rent an apartment. Get into ALOT of debt.
#2. As she grows towards reaching 18, she needs to take on more & more responsibility in order to get more freedoms. Tell her that your job is to try (as best as you can) to make sure that she's a responsible person & is able to handle adult life. Show her the plan, and stick to it. Most importantly, let her fall & learn how to pick herself up. A dirty room is the least of your worries.
For example, at 13 years old...she's old enough to be given money to buy her entire (yes, entire) wardrobe. Explain to her that if she blows her whole wad of cash on 1 pair of jeans...she must wear that 1 pair of jeans for the entire year. Don't let her borrow your clothes. Let her go out & learn. She will not die.
At 13 years old...she's old enough to put her clothes in the hamper. Explain to her that unclean clothes smell funny, and that other kids will notice her body odor. Explain that you are on "her side" and just want to warn her that stinky clothes will get her laughed at. Then, let her go out & learn. She will not die from an unclean room or from stinky clothes. Close the door for your own sanity.
At 14 years old...she's old enough to do small jobs. Perhaps she can sell Avon to her classmates? She will learn the value of a dollar, the value of keeping her own books, getting customers, keeping customers, etc.
At 15 years old...she'll have her learner's permit. She's old enough to drive you around to the stores, take car to the oil shop, to the car wash, etc. Get her in the habit of wearing a seat belt. Get her a meeting with your insurance agent. Have your agent calculate the price of insurance on a new Camaro, on a DUI, etc.
At 16 years old, she's old enough to have a summer job to pay for her own car insurance. If you buy her a car, you may want to title it in her own name (without your name on it). Yes, she will wreck it. (But, if you are on the title / insurance....you are liable in many states...so check with an attorney.....it's probably best it's in her own name). She will get a sense of ownership, and you will not have to worry about being personally sued. Make sure you get her a good running car. She doesn't need to be at the mercy of strangers.
At 17 years old, leave her at home for the weekend. See what she does. She'll do it at 18.
At 17 years old, she's old enough to balance your checkbook, and prepare all of the checks to pay the bills (you sign, of course). Show her about credit card debt & how long it takes to pay off a purchase at 23% interest. If she goes to college, Citibank & all the rest will be there to "give" her a credit card.
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Other than that....keep her busy. Physically tired kids are great kids. Mentally tired kids are whiney butts. Bored kids are dope heads. Can you get her in extra-curricular sports, dancing (something cool like "hip hop", etc? Perhaps there's a late school bus that can take her home afterwards? Or another parent/grandparent that can be a taxi.
I worked with a high powered professional woman. She demanded to leave her job at 3:00 every day once her daughter turned 13. The after school hours are dangerous. If you can do it without losing your house, now is a good time to spend more time with her. Pay now, or pay later.
Skeeter
what's the main motivating force behind the average jw?.
i'd say it's a fear of their own death.
fear of dying.
Gee, I thought it was all about "puttin' on the Ritz" (wearing nice clothes & looking all spiffy...)
Skeeter (who could make KMart look good)