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  Announcements regarding congregation accounts report is back on for Service Meeting

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the last service meeting the reading of the local congregation accounts report will be back on the schedule being read from the podium..

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  skeeter1

  Can you raise your hand to ask a question?

  "How much did we spend on electricity? water? heating? oh, and pedophile lawsuits?"
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  Duty to Protect (children, followers, customers....)

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was out shopping this weekend, reading of candice conti too.

  there's a few walmarts nearby in skeeterville.

  one nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it.

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  skeeter1

  Well, the law erodes the limits of what is able to be sued upon.

  A hundred or so years ago, kids that went into train yards could NOT sue when they had a leg cut off. Over time, the courts held that train yards were "attractive" to chldren and the train companies had to make their train yards safe for children; even when the children were uninvited tresspassers coming onto the property in the middle of the night.

  About 50 or so years ago, you couldn't sue a charity or government. Now, you can.

  This whole subject of children abused by a church being able to sue the church for its decisions has become mainstrem. See?

  Watchtower is scared. Scared that they go B-U-S-T

  Skeeter
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  ...My Vacation...

  by OUTLAW in

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  my vacation is over... .

  ............................ ...outlaw.

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  skeeter1

  Yeah! I really missed you!

  Skeeter
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  Duty to Protect (children, followers, customers....)

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was out shopping this weekend, reading of candice conti too.

  there's a few walmarts nearby in skeeterville.

  one nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it.

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  skeeter1

  Pride, greed, and lust are usually the main motivations of lawsuits.
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  Duty to Protect (children, followers, customers....)

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was out shopping this weekend, reading of candice conti too.

  there's a few walmarts nearby in skeeterville.

  one nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it.

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  skeeter1

  Motivation? I don't know.

  But, I am beginning to really see pedophiles as a systemic problem in the JWs. Look at Barbara Anderson, Bill Bowen, the database, avoidance of reporting laws, avoidance of background check laws (Australia). The pedophiles (or sympathyzers) have to go to the top.
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  Duty to Protect (children, followers, customers....)

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was out shopping this weekend, reading of candice conti too.

  there's a few walmarts nearby in skeeterville.

  one nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it.

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  skeeter1

  For negligence type cases, the courts look for:

  1) Duty. The Defendant had to have a Duty (legal) towards the Plaintiff

  2) Breach of Duty.

  3) Proximate Cause

  4) Damages

  It is for a judge to decide #1 & #2. If #1 and #2 aren't there in the complaint and initial filings, the judge is supposed to dismiss the case. If #1 and #2 are sufficient in the law and initial filings, then the case can go to a jury to determine proximate cause and damages.

  Now, what is legal duty? I can't sue Prince for wearing purple becuase I despise purple. Prince has no legal duty to dress according to Skeeter's commands. Likewise, I was scared on Sept 11th that a plane would land on me. But, the airlines and government had no legal duty to assur that i am not scared, even if the threat is very real.

  In this case, we are talking about the duty of the WTS and congregation to tell of known dangers.

  What is breach? Self explanatory

  Proximate cause? The breach proximately caused my injuries. A mother does not supervise her child, who is walking a dog, who runs in front of another car, who swerves and hits me. Can I sue the mother for negligent supervision? Probably. It was reasonably foreseeable, especially if they were walking near traffic.

  Damages? Jury awards; and even divides amongst defendants based on comparative guilt.

  There, a first year tort's law class all bundled up in one.
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  A "reduction of rules" is it the only way the WTBS can eliminate culpability?

  by darthfader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how best can the wtbs alter it's rules or eliminate "enforcement" by making everything a "conscience matter"?.

  what do you think is the likely outcome?.

  cheers!.

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  skeeter1

  i heard that the Baptist coalition exerts very little control over its preachers/churches. Each church act autonomously, down to prparation of the service and material covered. The Baptist coalition does not keep files of sex offenders or followers at their hq, & this shields them from liability.
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  Duty to Protect (children, followers, customers....)

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was out shopping this weekend, reading of candice conti too.

  there's a few walmarts nearby in skeeterville.

  one nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it.

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  skeeter1

  I was out shopping this weekend, reading of Candice Conti too.

  There's a few Walmarts nearby in Skeeterville. One nearest me is pretty safe, but the other is closer to the Interstate and jail, and you always feel wierd at it. It is so bad, that Walmart has a security guard just to patrol the parking lot.

  I was reading of Candice Conti's newspaper and the JW comments. One thing struck me. The JWs were arguing that the court decided wrong becuase the pedophile was just a follower and the WTS couldn't be held liable for follower-on-follower attacks. Therefore, they reasoned, the WTS would win on appeal. Well, their reasoning isn't bulletproof. First, the pedophile was a WTS appointed Minesterial Servant who was later removed, I beleive, after molesting a child (his stepdaughter). With the Catholic priests and clergymen, courts hold the Catholic church responsible for not warning followers. Here, the "fired" person remained in the group and in "good standing." The average follower of the Jehovah's Witness have a very high expectation of what "good standing" would mean.

  Now, let me return to Walmart. The law holds businesses responsible for the crimes that occur in their land (parking lots, stores, etc) or where business takes place; especially if the store knows it's a dangerous area with known criminals lurking or previous attacks happening. It does not matter if it's a Walmart patron-on-Walmart patron crime. Walmart can not get out of a legal duty by blaming the criminal. Rather, the landowner has duties (varies by State) to help assure that those who come upon it are foreseeably safe and that invited people/patrons are warned, especially of latent dangers.

  Here, we have a Jehovah's Witness congregation. The business is the church and there is land of the church. In fact, the business activity extends outward from the land due to the door-to-door and (old) Tuesday night book study. There is a "fired" unpaid volunteer who represented the congregation. He is demoted with cause, but the congregation does not know the reason. In fact, the reason is kept latent (not patent) from other followers and children. The other followers only assume that the situation is safe, but it is far from it. In fact, the business has a memo that shows it purposefully HIDES such latent dangers from the followers, to whom it has a duty to protect from foreseeable danger.

  And, there you have it. Why, follower-on-follower crimes have been a liability for many businesses - and now Jehovah's Witnessess too.

  *This is not a legal opinion. It's just me making an analogy.
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  Very Curious, what kind of feedback are you getting from ACTIVE Jehovah's Witnesses on Candace's California Court Victory ?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i am stunned by candace's huge court victory.

  it is overdue.

  i have been reading comments on jvn, huffington, san jose mercury, nbc, and other sources.

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  The Huffington Post online article has alot of JW, ex-JW, and worldly people comments.

  The JWs seem to be: 1) blaming the victim; 2) denying it occurred; and 3) getting exposed for their stupid comments. They think that this man was JUST a rank & file member. The court docs said that he was once a MS.

  The one comment I loved the most was brilliantly simple. It went like this: "If they abhor child abuse, why keep it a secret?"
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  Rodney King dead at age 47

  by observador in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  was brought up as a jw by his mother, who told him not to talk about race in court.. .

  http://www.examiner.com/article/rodney-king-victim-of-lapd-brutality-that-sparked-la-riots-dead-at-age-47.

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  skeeter1

  I did not realize he was raised as a JW.