Posts by JW_Researcher

While this is not a political board, and we're not political scientists, I guess we're all entitled to our own limited, media-mediated views of the world.

This came as an e-mail today:

ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM FACTS

1. ISRAEL BECAME A STATE IN 1312 B.C., TWO MILLENNIA BEFORE ISLAM;

2. ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL BEGAN CALLING THEMSELVES "PALESTINIANS" IN 1967, TWO DECADES AFTER (MODERN) ISRAELI STATEHOOD;

3. AFTER CONQUERING THE LAND IN 1272 B.C., JEWS RULED IT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND MAINTAINED A CONTINUOUS PRESENCE THERE FOR 3,300 YEARS;

4. FOR OVER 3,300 YEARS, JERUSALEM WAS THE JEWISH CAPITAL. IT WAS NEVER THE CAPITAL OF ANY ARAB OR MUSLIM ENTITY. EVEN UNDER JORDANIAN RULE, (EAST) JERUSALEM WAS NOT MADE THE CAPITAL, AND NO ARAB LEADER CAME TO VISIT IT;

5. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 700 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, BUT NOT ONCE IS IT MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN;

6. KING DAVID ESTABLISHED JERUSALEM AS ISRAEL'S CAPITAL; MOHAMMED NEVER SET FOOT IN IT;

7. JEWS PRAY FACING JERUSALEM; MUSLIMS FACE MECCA. IF THEY ARE BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES, MUSLIMS PRAY FACING MECCA, WITH THEIR BACKS TO JERUSALEM;

8. IN 1948, ARAB LEADERS URGED THEIR PEOPLE TO LEAVE, PROMISING TO CLEANSE THE LAND OF JEWISH PRESENCE. 68% OF THEM FLED WITHOUT EVER SETTING EYES ON AN ISRAELI SOLDIER;

9. VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE JEWISH POPULATION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES HAD TO FLEE AS

THE RESULT OF VIOLENCE AND POGROMS;

10. SOME 630,000 ARABS LEFT ISRAEL IN 1948, WHILE CLOSE TO A MILLION JEWS WERE FORCED TO LEAVE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES;

11. IN SPITE OF THE VAST TERRITORIES AT THEIR DISPOSAL, ARAB REFUGESS WERE DELIBERATELY PREVENTED FROM ASSIMILATING INTO THEIR HOST COUNTRIES. OF 100 MILLION REFUGEES FOLLOWING WORLD WAR 2, THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP TO HAVE NEVER INTEGRATED WITH THEIR CORELIGIONISTS. MOST OF THE JEWISH REFUGEES FROM

EUROPE AND ARAB LANDS WERE SETTLED IN ISRAEL, A COUNTRY NO LARGER THAN NEW JERSEY;

12. THERE ARE 22 ARAB COUNTRIES, NOT COUNTING PALESTINE. THERE IS ONLY ONE JEWISH STATE. ARABS STARTED ALL FIVE WARS AGAINST ISRAEL, AND LOST EVERY ONE

OF THEM;

13. FATAH AND HAMAS CONSTITUTIONS STILL CALL FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.

ISRAEL CEDED MOST OF THE WEST BANK AND ALL OF GAZA TO THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, AND EVEN PROVIDED IT WITH ARMS;

14. DURING THE JORDANIAN OCCUPATION, JEWISH HOLY SITES WERE VANDALIZED AND WERE OFF LIMITS TO JEWS. UNDER ISRAELI RULE, ALL MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN HOLY SITES ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL FAITHS;

15. OUT OF 175 UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS UP TO 1990, 97 WERE AGAINST ISRAEL; OUT OF 690 GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTIONS, 429 WERE AGAINST ISRAEL;

16. THE U.N. WAS SILENT WHEN THE JORDANIANS DESTROYED 58 SYNAGOGUES IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM. IT REMAINED SILENT WHILE JORDAN SYSTEMATICALLY DESECRATED THE ANCIENT JEWISH CEMETERY ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, AND IT REMAINED SILENT WHEN JORDAN ENFORCED APARTHEID LAWS PREVENTING JEWS FROM ACCESSING THE TEMPLE MOUNT AND WESTERN WALL.

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How much does Bethel pay these days?

by jayhawk1 in

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no, i'm not looking for a job, but i need to know how much they pay.

i want accurate info for my speech.

JW_Researcher

$110 that's not much in the year 2006, but the Bethelites are looking for the fame and status of having been at Bethel to satisfy their vanity. All they produce is poisonous literature that misleads and enslaves minds.

Obviously you don't mean all but...I knew many who were there for the same reason I was there....because we honestly believed it was "God's Organization" and we wanted to do our part. Period. We gave up much, at times.

Perhaps the motive you ascribe to Bethelites speaks more of folks you know personally or character flaws that particularly annoy you.

Bethelites, like posters here, have a wide variety of motives for their behavior.

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BoE letters up (1977-2001), plus public talk outlines

by Jourles in

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it looks like the 1977-2001 letters are up!

the '01-'06 letters will be forthcoming shortly i hear.. http://www.reexamine.org/boe/.

i would suggest downloading the index (3.8mb) first, then you can view/download a particular letter referenced from the index.

JW_Researcher

Thank you for posting these !!

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Body of Elders Letters on Reexamine?

by cabasilas in

are there body of elders letters on reexamine.org?

i've tried searching for them but could not find them.

somewhere i heard about 100mb of such letters...are they online?

JW_Researcher

I think the original question concerns the BOE letters mentioned here

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/116141/1.ashx

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"NWT used throughout secular academia for its precise translation"

by JW_Researcher in

the anti-witnesses know as well as jehovah's witnesses that the new world translation is used throughout secular academia for its precise translation.. .

achtung_heiss wrote the above at

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=alqzft9rw_gaj4c4apc7lr4jzkix?qid=20060702075141aapynuh

JW_Researcher

The anti-Witnesses know as well as Jehovah's Witnesses that the New World Translation is used throughout secular academia for its precise translation.

achtung_heiss wrote the above at

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AlqZFT9RW_gaJ4c4APc7Lr4jzKIX?qid=20060702075141AApYnuh

I laughed aloud...something we New Englanders don't do often. Very funny!

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Russel a zionist

by cousin Z in

charles taze russel was a zionist, yet today's wt has nothing to do with it.

what happened, what scriptures do they use to defend their position and why do they talk so much about the end of the world yet when you bring up israel, the ingathering and how the world is focused on destroying israel and the jews,they totally discount it as nothing.

JW_Researcher

There is a book that explores this

"Pastor Charles Taze Russell: An Early American Christian Zionist" by David Horowitz

ISBN: 0802225039

I own it but have not read it yet. If you need a look up, let me know.

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JWs and the Internet

by JW_Researcher in

i posted the question below but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

nina indicated that the jws have been "instructed" not to use the internet.

my understanding was that they were to use caution.

JW_Researcher

I posted the question below but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Nina indicated that the JWs have been "instructed" not to use the Internet. My understanding was that they were to use caution. I could be out of date, however.

Does anyone have a reference for this "instruction" not to use the Internet?

Thank you.

Former post:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/116708/2048216/post.ashx#2048216
1. Why would the WT put on a demo showing that their own members utilize the internet when they've instructed them not to?

Nina,

JWs are not to use the internet to pay bills, etc.?

Do you have the reference for that instruction?

Please and thank you.
2. The JW on the demo directly addresses Satan. That's "spiritism"!
It is not a direct address (although it may seem on a literal level to be so). It is a soliloquy .

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"Delivered From the Trap of the Birdcatcher" DC Demonstration

by FadingAway in

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a very convincing and timely demonstration on the dangers of the internet!

http://www.box.net/public/j2uoneqjfe.

if you can't get this to run, i will be more than happy to pm it to you if you can stomach it.

JW_Researcher

1. Why would the WT put on a demo showing that their own members utilize the internet when they've instructed them not to?

Nina,
JWs are not to use the internet to pay bills, etc.?
Do you have the reference for that instruction?
Please and thank you.

2. The JW on the demo directly addresses Satan. That's "spiritism"!

It is not a direct address (although it may seem on a literal level to be so). It is a soliloquy .

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WTBTS Sect: P.S.L. Johnson: Epiphany Studies in the Scriptures

by JW_Researcher in

does anyone have a link to the 17 volume epiphany studies in the scriptures publications?

they are published (evidently) by the layman's home missionary movement.

i did find this link (http://www.epiphanystudies.co.uk/form1.htm) but it is in uk and i was looking for something in the us....although that will work if nothing else is available.

JW_Researcher

Thank you.

I'm probably just going to order the complete set here: http://www.epiphanystudies.co.uk/form1.htm

Bible Standard Cyclopedia C/Disc with 17 volumes
of Prof. Paul S L Johnson, plus other works

Qty
Price £ 9.99 each.

I was hoping for something closer or online.

Thanks again.