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  Mankind proved they can't rule?

  by Simon in

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  according to the jw doctrine, mankind has tried every form of goverment but ultimately failed to rule successfully.

  so many wars ... we really need big j to sort things out.

  what a swell guy.

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  Good points Simon, very true.

  The further back you go in the bible, the weirder it gets (wait a minute, Revelation is at the end )
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  "Once Upon a Time..."

  by LucidSky in

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  i had a fantasy once.

  it wasn't so bizarre.

  i'm certain that most people have wished that they would never have to die.

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  LucidSky, you mirror alot of my sentiments in your piece. While I haven't sat up and cried about it, I did think about the whole God and afterlife thing a lot after I started questioning my whole belief system. I really wanted to believe, not necessarily as much for the afterlife, but more to bring some sort of definite "meaning" to life. I did think a lot about the afterlife issue, but if I were to live forever, much like Incense_and_Peppermints, I would have to explore more than this earth. I always had the "unholy" thought as a JW about us running out of things to do after awhile in the "new system". While I knew some pretty dogmatic "earth forever" JW's, myself and quite a lot of people I talked to in the hall would imagine that after a while, we would leave the earth and explore new things, as ultimately there is only a finite number of things that can be done on earth.

  Today, while I don't necessarily hold that there is no afterlife possible (nor for that matter God, though the absence of objective evidence leads me not to believe in anything right now), I'm not too concerned about it, and I'm perfectly ok with the possibility of their being nothing (my non- existence didn't seem to bother me for the eternity before I was born ). If I can go to my death bed with a smile on my face, knowing that I lived a life of fullness, kindness, and would be fondly remembered by those I love (or even by the public at large), I'll consider the rest "icing on the cake".

  (Edited to (((terafera))). Hang in there .)

  Edited by - crownboy on 1 July 2002 21:47:18

  Edited by - crownboy on 1 July 2002 21:47:53
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  Storing Blood okay????

  by Mulan in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  has anyone heard about the wts changing it's view on storing your own blood?

  we heard today, from a friend, who is out of the borg, that they now allow this.

  he has a relative who died of leukemia, and the parents (the father is an elder) are very angry now, because this young man could have lived with blood transfusions.

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  I was there this year when they gave the "blood talk" and did not give out the cards. If my memory serves right, they did not change the policy on storage of a persons own blood, and indeed I recall that point being stressed in the talk that was given in my congregation (the talk was based on some watchtower of 1997, I believe). However, my meeting attendance is bad at best, so this may indeed be a new policy brought out later. I went to a DC, and this point was not brought out at all, but the absense of talk on the issue in the new "offical" book, as well as the discarded "new" blood cards makes this claim rather plausible.
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  Increase / Decrease - Whats the Real Picture?

  by invisible in

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  2. friends

  ok, we're all used to seeing the annual report in the yearbook etc of the societies so called increases in certain countries and lands.

  is there any way to independently authenticate the wt claims as true or not?.

  take 'hours' submitted in field service reports etc.

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  Actually nancee park, you are correct in your prediction about the 9/11 effect on US stats. At the final talk of the DC this year, the brother mentioned that for the first time in years, there was a positive trend in the numbers for English speaking JW's in the US (the miniscule increases are due largely to poor, non English speaking immigrants, I guess), and that the spike was especially pronounced after 9/11. He said that this March was perhaps "the greatest month in US history" for JW's, as far as field service, and memorial attendance combined. The "15 minute" publisher rule will no doubt also help for a short while.

  Edited by - crownboy on 1 July 2002 18:36:47
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  World Cup (spoiler)

  by gsx1138 in

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  the u.s. has beat mexico 2-0. for those of you who don't know me i used to play soccer.. i even went to the world cup.. this is the only time i went to the world cup.

  so you know, i'm the guy in the green stripes.. needless to say i've not played soccer since.. .

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  Make that 2 Americans who watched ESPN last night .

  I'm glad the U.S. won, of course, but they played very sloppy. If they play like that versus Germany, the Saudi Arabia game will look like a nail biter. Despite their efforts to play a "defensive" game, Mexico had their way with them, and only the goalie Friedel kept the U.S. from being home today. However, their two scoring chances were exicuted greatly. Lets hope they play better against Germany, and that the referees aren't as quick to pull out cards.
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  Did the Resurrection really happen?

  by thinker in

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  2. bible

  was written next and makes a brief mention of the resurrection and ascension; which includes a conspiracy theory about the body being stolen (matt.

  where did jesus first appear?

  where else did jesus appear?

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  Great posts on this thread, JanH.
  I suggest that all the "bible people" read the link that was provided by Saint Satan. I am aware of several writings that refute Mc. Dowell, and even a cursary reading of his books raises questions. If any of you guys could get the link on the infidels site that refutes much of the "secular evidence" for Jesus, that would be great. I would do it myself, but I have to run and probably won't be on this site for a couple of days.

  The paralells between Jesus and pagan gods is ridiculous. It's obvious that either God isn't very creative, or there was a lot of Christain plagarism (and yes, the Jews were familiar with those cultures). Oh yeah, and read those evolution papers, too.

  Edited by - crownboy on 14 June 2002 17:4:35
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  Watching my parents age and die.....

  by LDH in

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  2. friends

  i just posted this on teejay's thread, but in case some didn't read that thread i will repost it here, the enhanced version, because i believe it deserves its own thread.. recently, my parents visited with me.

  (the great apostate, can you believe it?).

  technically, they were here to visit my kids and husband, as i am df'd [8>].

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  (((Lisa)))

  It's so sad, I know. So many people who've given their lives to a complete lie; it really hurts when it's your own parents. My parents are both in their 50's, and I really don't see them leaving the Org. Like me, they were both raised in the Org. (hence thourouly brain washed), but unlike me they aren't 20 years old. They've spent their entire lives in the Org., and though 50 something isn't exceptionally old, it's old enough to be set in your ways. They're fairly liberal and they don't follow the 'Tower to every last "t" (my dad went to college in the old days), but if they're ever in a life threatening situation that requires blood... I'll hate the Org. even more than I do now . I hope things eventually smooth out with your parents, and maybe your daughter will learn to like the flute (but hopefully not like that chick from American Pie .

  (((Billygoat)))

  Sorry to hear your parents aren't going to your wedding. I can't imagine my parents being so cold hearted as to miss such a very important event. You're handling the situation right in "putting the ball in their court", as far as resuming a relationship is concerned. They've got to be the first to realize how unfair they are. Are any of your JW family going to attend? It's ridiculous how a religion can cause so much havoc in a family.
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  How many members on governing body?

  by starfish422 in

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  can anyone give me a quick answer on this?

  thx.

  katie :)

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  The GB members born pre-1935 are:

  Carey Barber (b.1905)

  John Barr (b.1913)

  Albert Schroeder (b.1911)

  Dan Sydlik (b.1919)

  Milton Henschel (b.1920)

  Theodore Jaracz (b.1925)

  Guy Pierce (b.1934)

  So it seems like the most powerful man in "Jehovah's organization" was not on God's list of original of annionted people (according to JW theology), unless he "received his calling" before the age of 10 .
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  I went to a Unitarian church today

  by crownboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (wow, simon, did you steal microsoft word software or something?

  well, today i did something that in most years past i would have believed would have resulted in me being struck by lightning; i attended a religious service other than the jw's.

  this is the first time i've ever been to another religious service.

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  Thanks for all the replies, guys.

  Wendy and SpiceItUp both might try out the church due to my experience. Wow, 20 years as a JW I never convinced anyone to attend the meetings (good !), but I attend 1 Unitarian meeting, am not even a member, and already I have 2 "bible studies" .

  Happy anniversary Jewel& Wendy, hope you guys had fun.

  Edited by - crownboy on 10 June 2002 16:59:38
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  I went to a Unitarian church today

  by crownboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (wow, simon, did you steal microsoft word software or something?

  well, today i did something that in most years past i would have believed would have resulted in me being struck by lightning; i attended a religious service other than the jw's.

  this is the first time i've ever been to another religious service.

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  (Wow, Simon, did you steal Microsoft Word software or something? )

  Well, today I did something that in most years past I would have believed would have resulted in me being struck by lightning; I attended a religious service other than the JW's. This is the first time I've ever been to another religious service. It was at a Unitarian church some distance from my home, for I still live with my JW parents and indeed if they knew about this, it would be a major issue. I decided to take this unprecedented step about two days ago, while I was on the internet. I was reading an article about the Unitarians, and realized that they were probably a pretty good group. I had actually taken a religious test on beliefnet.com a couple of months ago (from a thread on this board), and according to the test, the Unitarians actually came closest to my religious views than any other group.

  I don't really consider myself "religious" in the sense of needing to be part of a religious group, or needing to connect with some "higher power", but I was curious as to what it would be like to attend a religious service other than the JW's, so I pretty much just said "what the heck, it can't possibly be worse the meeting I'd be forced to attend anyway", so I made up an excuse as to why I had to go out, and off I went this morning.

  Well, the experience was somewhat as what I envisioned. On this particular day, the pastor dedicated his sermon to answering questions that people in the congregation had asked him. Some questions were tough, some easy, but he tried to answer them all. I really appreciated the fact that he never gave any answers as being "the answer", he even prefaced the entire thing by stating "all the answers I give are my opinion, and you're free to agree or disagree". During one of his answers to a question (I've forgotten the question), he stated that we humans must believe in our own goodness, and think for ourselves, a sentiment very much my own. There were even some questions that he simply answered with "this is a question that each of us must answer for ourself". Afterward, I was invited to stay for some coffee and fellowship. I talked to a few persons, all of who were very nice. The pastor even asked me if I wanted to be on some mailing list, but of course I declined. I was also impressed by the many charitable things the church was involved with (like many churches, of course), as opposed to JW's who believe that charity is knocking on your door on Saturday morning to offer you magazines that are mostly crap.

  Overall, I was impressed with the place. It was very quiet and subdued during the pastor's sermon, there were a couple of musical interludes, and they open and closed the service with the congregation singing songs (from a songbook that somewhat resembled the JW's ). Not a bad experience, and I may do it again sometime in the future.