Yes, the JWs are obsessed with the end. I found that any bad news was a perceived as a "sign of the end" to the JWs. I remember having a brief conversation with a sister at the Hall a few months ago. She was telling me about a big fire in a nearby town. What blew me away was that at the end of her telling me about this fire, she said, "I'll tell ya, things are getting so bad in this system." What??? I didn't know what to say. What the heck does a fire have to do with the supposed depravity of this system? It's as if they're pre-programmed to think of any bad news as some sort of sign of the end.
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JW says he loves to see bad things happen
by yaddayadda inhere's what a jw said over on the moronic discussion board at www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk (under a thread entitled 'speculation') .
"not me...i like to live on the edge.
the more the merrier.
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I think I've finally had it! (long)
by lynnmelo insome of you may know that i had regularly been studying with the jw's for about two years, but i was never baptized.
i stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my topic history).. anyway, up until now, i had decided to just fade into the background, still attending sunday kh meetings because i want to attend some church, and i just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either).
my last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible.
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lynnmelo
AuldSoul, how right you are. I've cringed a few times when I remember the naiveté of my first post. When I posted then, I was still in the mindset that the Witnesses were being persecuted, and I was believing my bible study conductor's opinion that I just wasn't strong enough to stand up for what's right.
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I think I've finally had it! (long)
by lynnmelo insome of you may know that i had regularly been studying with the jw's for about two years, but i was never baptized.
i stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my topic history).. anyway, up until now, i had decided to just fade into the background, still attending sunday kh meetings because i want to attend some church, and i just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either).
my last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible.
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lynnmelo
They're good at manipulating.
I'm learning this quickly. Now that I think back, it's almost like my bible study conductor was just being nice to me in order to bring me into the organization. Otherwise, I just can't understand how she could be so mean to me now that I've decided not to join. That's the weird thing about some of the Witnesses: It's as if they're less than human--like some preprogrammed human-like robots who can switch thier emotions on and off whenever they feel like it. They talk so much about "agape love," but I've never really felt any "love" in the congregation. It reminds me of a Star Trek episode I once saw. Jim and crew land on a planet where this genius man invites them to dinner. Everything looks great, but the food is tasteless. It turns out that the genius had studied earth for a while and had tried to simulate it's food, among other things. The thing he couldn't imitate, though, was the taste because he'd never actually tasted food. It's like the Witnesses: They try to act loving, but it's all a forced endeavor, so it actually doesn't come across as love---at least it didn't in the congregation I attended. Dumb analogy, but that's what I thought of.
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I think I've finally had it! (long)
by lynnmelo insome of you may know that i had regularly been studying with the jw's for about two years, but i was never baptized.
i stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my topic history).. anyway, up until now, i had decided to just fade into the background, still attending sunday kh meetings because i want to attend some church, and i just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either).
my last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible.
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lynnmelo
Thanks for all the comments, you guys. I don't feel as if I ever want to speak to my bible study conductor again. If she calls me, I'm going to tell her that I have nothing to say to her. What nerve she has!
Thanks, again, for your comments.
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I think I've finally had it! (long)
by lynnmelo insome of you may know that i had regularly been studying with the jw's for about two years, but i was never baptized.
i stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my topic history).. anyway, up until now, i had decided to just fade into the background, still attending sunday kh meetings because i want to attend some church, and i just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either).
my last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible.
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Some of you may know that I had regularly been studying with the JW's for about two years, but I was never baptized. I stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my Topic history).
Anyway, up until now, I had decided to just fade into the background, still attending Sunday KH meetings because I want to attend some church, and I just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either). My last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible. She and another Witness kind of "ganged up" on me, doing everything in their power to connect the scriptural dots and make me admit that they were the truth and that I was willfully rejecting it (which I never did, btw).
Anyway, I went to the KH today, and after the service, my B.S. conductor (pun intended) tried to get me to set up a meeting with her and an elder, which she freely admitted was to make her feel better. I had a strong feeling that the purpose of that meeting would be the same as my last meeting with her, so I told her I didn't want to. She started questioning me again, and I told her I just could not accept the doctrine of the F&DS and that I didn't think that only JW's were going to survive Armageddon (I've never told her about all the dirt I found on the WTS because I didn't want her to know I knew, which would have made me feel uncomfortable going to the KH). Get this, though: She then goes into this diatribe of sorts, where she starts spouting scriptures about how the JW's ARE the only true religion and that she "shudders" for me. She said the "shudder" thing a couple of times in the last meeting, and I let it pass. When she said it again here, I gritted my teeth and let it pass. I just let her talk. She then asked me if I could write down some things about the FD&S doctrine that bothered her. I said I could, but I'd prefer not to because it would just end up being insulting to her (she's definitely a company woman all the way), and after she read it, I'd be uncomfortable attending the KH (even though she assured me that she wouldn't share my list with the elders). She just kept on spouting scriptures, but when I had a reply to each assertion she made, she finally said that she that my reasoning was a "cop out" and that, again, she "fears" for me. Well, at that point, I was tired of being polite. I said to her, "I think it's pretty presumptious of you to say that I'm going to die at Armageddon because I'm not a JW." I thought that would get her because I've never really been that blunt with her before. I was shocked, though, because she refused to take it back or admit that she was wrong. Instead, she just said that they were "encouraged" to pray for people, even those who persecute them ("not that you're persecuting us, of course").
I think this is the first time I've really seen my book study conductor for what she really is: a complete wind-up toy for the JW organization. It's as if she isn't viewing me as a human being. She is viewing me as a person who has not accepted the JW teachings, and she no longer cares about how I feel or what she says to me. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but it's almost as if she wants me to stop attending the KH--get the apostate out of their midst and all that. I'm angry now and don't even want to go back to the KH, but one part of me wants to continue going just to get her goat.
Is my bible study conductor's behavior the norm for when people decide they don't want to join?
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Talked to JW cousin
by Undecided ini was in the grocery store and met a cousin i haven't seen in years.
the first thing he asked me was, do you go to the meeting now?
he mentioned how armageddon was so close.
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lynnmelo
I'm sorry if this seems trivial, but I have to write it . . .
PMJ: It's know, not "no" when you're referring to having knowledge of something.
I can understand a typo here and there, but that repeated error is driving me nuts!
Also, I just want you to know, PMJ, that you've really been a great Witness . . . against the JW's. You've solidified my decision never to get baptized by them. And, no, it's not your grammar that did it . It's basically your refusal to even listen to a logical viewpoint or address logical points. As much as the Watchtower preaches humility, your attitude is a sterling example of the complete lack of humility shown by the organization. Thanks for the reinforcement!
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Help --Pre-JW Faithful and Discreet Slave??
by lynnmelo inhi, folks.
for those who may not remember my previous posts, i'm someone who has been studying with the jw's for about two years but didn't commit (i.e., get baptized) because, as i thought then, i was just too selfish and cowardly to join up with the jw's.
that's before i found this site and watched the dateline video on the child molestation problem.
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Sorry I have posted a reply to some; I haven't been able to post in a while. Thank you all for the great responses and links. Blindersoff, you make a great point (I got your PM as well--thanks!).
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Senseless death is getting to me
by AlmostAtheist ini'm finding that i'm less and less able to handle hearing about or even thinking about senseless death.
i read about some of the people tortured and killed as heretics during the inquisition and i was nearly in tears.
then i just read a news report about a pakistani man that killed his own daughters while his wife watched, in order to preserve his family's "honor".. theists can at least imagine these people in heaven, or sleeping awaiting a resurrection.
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Dave, I do believe in God, but I can still understand how you feel about the senselessness of death and violence. I feel that same frustration concerning both humans and animals. I find that as I get older, my tolerance level for senseless violence gets lower; I just can't stomach it--even in a movie, for goodness sakes!
This part of your post especially caught my eye:
I know that I have a near-irrational fear of random violence. I see it as something I can't defend against, since there's little motive that I can predict.
I have a fear of this, too. To be cliche, I call this the "existential angst" that many of us have when we take a realistic look at the world.
I don't have a solution for you, but perhaps the best thing is to take it one day at a time and do what you can as an individual when you can (along the lines of what bikerchic does).
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WTBS--What's the motive?
by lynnmelo inmy sister and i have speculated for quite some time about the possible motives of the gb and all others in charge of the wtbs, i.e., their raison d'etre, so to speak.
after finding out about some of the history of the wtbs and the supposed f&ds, i realized that they weren't god's spokepeople on earth.
but, then, what's their motive for all the work they're doing in the organization?
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My sister and I have speculated for quite some time about the possible motives of the GB and all others in charge of the WTBS, i.e., their raison d'etre, so to speak. After finding out about some of the history of the WTBS and the supposed F&DS, I realized that they weren't God's spokepeople on earth. But, then, what's their motive for all the work they're doing in the organization? Is it just power? Or, are they like politicians, i.e., some starting out with noble intentions and just becoming corrupt? I've read posts in which people allude to some monetary gain, but nothing really specific has been mentioned (at least in the posts I've read). So, what's their motive? -
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Help --Pre-JW Faithful and Discreet Slave??
by lynnmelo inhi, folks.
for those who may not remember my previous posts, i'm someone who has been studying with the jw's for about two years but didn't commit (i.e., get baptized) because, as i thought then, i was just too selfish and cowardly to join up with the jw's.
that's before i found this site and watched the dateline video on the child molestation problem.
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Thank you, TD!! That's exactly the information for which I was looking