It's really sick. The further you get away from the control the worse it looks.
freydi
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Is Higher education strongly discouraged in 2007 district convention?
by dark angle intoday in our rehersal, i met with our district convension overseer.
he told us that college or higher education is now strongly discouraged by the society.
i argued that such policy is not practical here in the philippines since most jobs now require some sort of college education unlike in other countries where there are demands on skills regardless on educational attainment.
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Apostate Bible studies?
by darkuncle29 ini've had this idea for a few days, just mulling how to flesh it out if you will.
it may not be a new idea, but i'll try to get it out coherently.. lets say there is a guy, he's a jw but has been surfing the net and knows now that the wts is bogus.
he can't just leave, he has family-wife and young children who are in the borg.
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freydi
That's a great article Blondie. Create an environment of freedom.
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JWs', lying SOBs
by LouBelle ini was just reading lady libertys' post and i found myself getting angrier and angrier.
the way they can blatently lie.
granted it's not all of them, but it's the ones' in ""power"" and your family (that's what happend to me) .
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freydi
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/125997/1.ashx Deck the Halls
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COULD YOU HANDLE LIFE ALONE?
by Mary inif you mate died suddenly or left you, could you handle life alone?
would you remain single or get married again?
i ask this because my brother in law's witness mom just died recently, and we're wondering how his dad is going to handle life alone now.
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freydi
I don't exactly enjoy it, but the stock market is enough aggravation for anybody with more fun and less complications than sex when you hit on all cylinders. For entertainment there's always the grocery store.
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The Power of DA
by freydi ini read with sadness the various travails of those who are in and want out but haven't, mostly for the sake of family, the unmitigated temerity to df the borg, and are just waiting for the inevitable kangaroo miscarriage of justice by a jc to pull your plug, and then consoling yourself with thinking that the hounders may have had a sleepless night or two once they'd done their dirty business.
of course you know that after a night or two they've deleted you from their hard drives, so the consolation is pretty much short-lived.
but it seems to me that to give, not only the hounders, but the whole circuit lingering and on-going second thoughts, that maybe they're the ones who are in the wrong and how many others there might be, is when they don't get a chance to hang some bum rap you, and you give them the pink slip.
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freydi
Making a paper trail is a good idea. It's like termites.
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The Power of DA
by freydi ini read with sadness the various travails of those who are in and want out but haven't, mostly for the sake of family, the unmitigated temerity to df the borg, and are just waiting for the inevitable kangaroo miscarriage of justice by a jc to pull your plug, and then consoling yourself with thinking that the hounders may have had a sleepless night or two once they'd done their dirty business.
of course you know that after a night or two they've deleted you from their hard drives, so the consolation is pretty much short-lived.
but it seems to me that to give, not only the hounders, but the whole circuit lingering and on-going second thoughts, that maybe they're the ones who are in the wrong and how many others there might be, is when they don't get a chance to hang some bum rap you, and you give them the pink slip.
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freydi
I read with sadness the various travails of those who are in and want out but haven't, mostly for the sake of family, the unmitigated temerity to df the borg, and are just waiting for the inevitable kangaroo miscarriage of justice by a jc to pull your plug, and then consoling yourself with thinking that the hounders may have had a sleepless night or two once they'd done their dirty business. Of course you know that after a night or two they've deleted you from their hard drives, so the consolation is pretty much short-lived. But it seems to me that to give, not only the hounders, but the whole circuit lingering and on-going second thoughts, that maybe they're the ones who are in the wrong and how many others there might be, is when they don't get a chance to hang some bum rap you, and you give them the pink slip. Was wondering if anybody has any good DA stories about repercussions when one of their own walks.
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1930s Article on Disfellowshipping
by Shepherd Book inback when i was just lurking on this board, someone posted some information from an old wtower or awake!
that showed the society was against disfellowshipping.
the society said it hurt people, and that if people choose to disagree with the borganization, they should have full liberty of conscience to do so.
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freydi
What Pastor Russell Said p 479
Meetings Elders in Court of Inquiry Questions 1916
"Is it proper for the elders to sit at a court of inquiry and cite any supposed to be walking in a disorderly manner to appear before them and explain their conduct?" Or should the Lord's advice at Matt 18:15-18 be followed?
Answer - "I agree with the suggestion of the question that it should be handled in harmony with the Lord's direction in the passage cited. The Lord's word does not authorize any court of the Elders, or anyone else, to become busybodies. THis would be going back to the practices of the Dark Ages during the inquisition; and we would be showing the same spirit as did the inquisitors. The Lord has put the matter in a simple way and we could not improve upon it......We should remember the word of the Lord which says, 'The Lord will judge his people.' If he should need any punishment, we may trust the Lord to give it to him and not take the matter into our own hands. We should have confidence in the Lord. If we can stop the wrong that is as far as we can go. But if the wrong doer should persist in his wrong-doing and not repent, and if the matter should be of sufficient importance, then we are to bring the matter to the attention of the Church for correction. We should not bring any small or trifling matter. It is my judgment that 3/4 of the things which are brought to my attention - had better be dropped. However there might be an exception in case the matter had gone beyond the individual and had somehow involved the whole congregation. In such an event it might be impossible to deal with the matter in an individual way. Then the Elders MIGHT constitute themselves into a Board or Committee, and get one of their number to look into the case and see if the wrong could not be stopped, or adjusted. When the matter gets beyond the individual, we have no advice beyond the Word of God. Let us be careful not to become like Babylon and hold inquisition and mix ourselves up. The Word of God is our sufficiency and we should follow it closely and thereby avoid confusion." -
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WTS Higher Education Policy
by besty ina couple of topics recently have made me think about exactly how cynical are the wts when it comes to their higher education policy for the rank and file.. first one was mavie's about her forthcoming jc which prompted me to flick through richard dawkins the god delusion.
dawkins quotes from a study published in mensa magazine 2002; .
"of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection.
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freydi
SOMEBODY ASKED THE OTHER DAY ABOUT WHERE THE WT GOT IT'S DOCTRINE FROM. DOES ANY OF THE FOLLOWING SOUND FAMILIAR? http://www.bibletoday.com/V2/volumetwo_S09.htm
"The following show the character of some of the Notes of the Rhemish translation--which, however, is in recent years being superseded by the Douay translation, very similar, but with less pointed notes. A note on `Matt. 3` reads: "Heretics may be punished and suppressed; and may, and ought, by public authority, either spiritual or temporal, to be chastised or executed." One on `Gal. 1:8` reads: "Catholics should not spare their own parents, if heretics." On `Heb. 5:7` the note reads: "The translators of the Protestant Bible ought to be translated to the depths of hell." And on `Rev. 17:6` the comment reads: "But the blood of Protestants is not called the blood of saints, no more than the blood of thieves, man-killers, and other malefactors, for the shedding of which, by the order of justice, no commonwealth shall answer."
"The following are some of the restrictions imposed when it was found that the reading of the Bible could not be entirely prevented. The fourth rule of the Index Expurgatoris says:
"If any shall have the presumption to read or possess the Bible without written permission, he shall not receive absolution until he have first delivered up such Bible to the ordinary. Book-sellers who shall sell or otherwise dispose of Bibles in the vulgar tongue, to any person not having such permission, shall forfeit the value of the books,...and be subjected by the bishop to such other penalties as the <PAGE 321> bishop shall judge proper, according to the quality of the offense."
Said the Council of Trent, in its session A.D. 1546:
"In order to restrain petulant minds, the council decrees that in matters of faith and morals, and whatever relates to the maintenance of Christian doctrine, no one, confiding in his own judgment, shall dare to wrest the sacred Scriptures to his own sense of them, contrary to that which hath been held, and still is held, by the holy mother church, whose right it is to judge of the true meaning."
From the bull of Pius VII, against Bible Societies, issued June 29, 1816, to the Primate of Poland, we quote:
"We have been truly shocked at this most crafty device, by which the very foundations of religion are undermined; and having, because of the great importance of the subject, conferred in council with our venerable brethren, the cardinals of the holy Roman Church, we have, with the utmost care and attention, deliberated upon the measures proper to be adopted by our pontifical authority, in order to remedy and abolish this pestilence as far as possible....Of your own accord you have already shown an ardent desire to detect and overthrow the impious machinations of these innovators; yet, in conformity with our office, we again and again exhort you that whatever you can achieve by power, provide by counsel, or effect by authority, you will daily execute with the utmost earnestness....The Bible printed by heretics is to be numbered among other prohibited books, conformably to the rules of the Index."
The same pope, in the year 1819, issued a bull against the use of the Scriptures in the schools of Ireland. From it we quote:
"Information has reached the ears of the sacred congregation that Bible Schools, supported by the funds of the heterodox, have been established in almost every part of Ireland; in which the inexperienced of both sexes are invested with the fatal poison of depraved doctrines....Every possible exertion must therefore be made, to keep the youth away from these destructive schools....Do you labor <PAGE 322> with all your might to keep the orthodox youth from being corrupted by them--an object which will, I hope, be easily effected by the establishment of Catholic schools throughout your diocese."
Here we have a candid admission of the real object of the establishment of Catholic parochial schools in Great Britain and North America, viz.: to protect their lines. Antichrist has no other object in offering education to the common people. Ignorance and superstition are Papacy's bulwarks; and the centuries of its power, including what is known as the "dark ages," prove this. The education of the clergy under "restrictions" was not neglected; but, that no provision was made for the education of the people, the dense ignorance of all old Roman Catholic countries is strong proof. Schools and Bibles have ever been Antichrist's unendurable enemies, and would not be tolerated, except as they became necessities--upon which a false light must be thrown for the preservation of Antichrist's existence.
From a bull by Leo XII to the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland, A.D. 1825, we quote:
"It is no secret to you, venerable brethren, that a certain society, vulgarly called the Bible Society, is audaciously dispreading itself through the whole world. After despising the traditions of the holy fathers, and in opposition to the well known decree of the Council of Trent, this society has collected all its forces, and directs every means to one object: to the translation, or rather to the perversion, of the Bible into the vernacular languages of all nations."
"Even the late Pope Pius IX expressed his anguish of heart at the triumph on every hand of this great enemy of Antichrist --the Bible. He said, "Accursed be those very crafty and deceitful societies called Bible Societies, which trust the Bible into the hands of the inexperienced youth."
"True, it was decreed at the Roman Catholic Plenary Council of Baltimore, A.D. 1886, that an approved Bible shall be permitted in Catholic schools of the United States. This, however, betokens no change in the real sentiment of <PAGE 323> Antichrist; it is but another stroke of its farsighted policy, in deference to the spirit of liberty in this country, which abhors such restraints. They well knew, however, that the liberty and not the Bible was wanted; and inquiry discovers that now, two years after, the Bible is not to be found in Catholic schools hereabouts." -
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freydi
July 4, 2005 DA'd
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WTS Higher Education Policy
by besty ina couple of topics recently have made me think about exactly how cynical are the wts when it comes to their higher education policy for the rank and file.. first one was mavie's about her forthcoming jc which prompted me to flick through richard dawkins the god delusion.
dawkins quotes from a study published in mensa magazine 2002; .
"of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection.
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freydi
The whole organization reminds me of a beehive of mostly ignorant workers(who they'd like to sterilize) along with a few drones for reproduction purposes and keeping the workers in line, all blissfully working together serving big mother, the queen.