WTS Higher Education Policy

by besty 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • besty
    besty

    A couple of topics recently have made me think about exactly how cynical are the WTS when it comes to their higher education policy for the rank and file.

    First one was Mavie's about her forthcoming JC which prompted me to flick through Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. Dawkins quotes from a study published in Mensa Magazine 2002;

    "Of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold "beliefs" of any kind."

    Hmmm - could the WTS be aware of this link and deliberately formulate a policy which maximises their chances of retaining an under-educated membership?

    The second post that caught my eye was Nvrgbk's here about Faith vs Reason. In part it mentions a Harvard study about the same link between education and religious belief - perhaps the Harvard study was one of the 43 captured by the Mensa author.

    "This study found that, in general, increased education causes individuals to "sort into less fervent religions" and "decrease[s] belief in the returns to religious activity". The study found a strong negative correlation between higher education and beliefs that miracles occur, that heaven and hell exist, that the Devil is an actual being and that the Bible is literally true. More educated people were significantly less likely to believe all these things."

    I checked out the actual Harvard study and the abstract of the paper is as follows:

    In the United States, religious attendance rises sharply with education across individuals, but religious attendance declines sharply with education across denominations.

    This puzzle is explained if education both increases the returns to social connection and reduces the extent of religious belief. The positive effect of education on sociability explains the positive education-religion relationship. The negative effect of education on religious belief causes more educated individuals to sort into less fervent religions, which explains the negative reelationship between education and religion across denominations.

    Cross-country differences in the impact of education on religious belief can explain the large cross-country variation in the education-religion connection. These cross-country differences in the education-belief relationship can be explained by political factors (such as communism) which lead some countries to use state-controlled education to discredit religion.

    The entire paper can be found here:

    http://www.economics.harvard.edu/pub/hier/2001/HIER1913.pdf

    It makes for very interesting reading for the enlightened WTS sceptic.

    So the WTS has a belief system that fundamentally attracts undereducated people to join and a higher education policy to keep the young JW's undereducated and therefore in the system.

    Or am I being too cynical?

  • notyetx
    notyetx

    You are dead-on right. You cannot be too cynical re: the higher education rules. This is exactly what is going on.

  • Gopher
    Gopher
    So the WTS has a belief system that fundamentally attracts undereducated people to join and a higher education policy to keep the young JW's undereducated and therefore in the system.

    YES.

    Or am I being too cynical?

    NO.

    The WTS is a high-control totalitarian regime, and the discouragement of higher education is definitely a part of its agenda to control its members.

    I got a taste of this first-hand when I was graduating high school in 1979. I was a salutatorian in my high school class. The circuit overseer and his wife tried to discourage me from even going into trade school, so that I could spend more time serving the organization. I'm glad my father (a JW elder) backed my decision to get a trade, which was one of the best decisions I ever made.

    Still, I know I would have been better served having a college education. But it would have made me less Witness-like.

  • llbh
    llbh

    Hi Besty

    Spot on and i fell for it, i gave up a college place to become a JW, totally and utterly stupid, what an idiot!!. When i obtained my degree i began questioning and reasoning, not long after I left, this was 4 other reasons but the pattern fits

    All high control rulers religionists do it. I went to see the Golden Compass last night and that is in part what it is about.

    Glad to have left

    llbh

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    What Gopher said. The synthesis of everything they say on the matter boils down to "keep 'em dumb so they'll stay on the farm".

    The scary thing is, some of them may actually believe that stupid uneducated is better for them.

  • Mrs. Witness
    Mrs. Witness

    Funny story: In a recent discussion with my JW, he admitted to me that he was (his words) "dumb". Yet, he expects to be the "head" of the household and have me (a college educated, skeptical girl) not argue or disagree with him in any way. After his confession that he's "dumb", I said "well, I'm not, so you should listen to me".

    Silly me, though, he'll never listen to me because I don't have WTBTS tatooed on my forehead!!

  • besty
    besty

    llbh - my own situation was a wee bit more complex as Mum and Dad encouraged me to go to local technical college - university was out the question as they didn't want me to leave home to study.

    I knew this up front as we had discussed it. This meant that I eased off educationally at the age of 15 or so because I wasn't going to Uni. I got excellent exam results - 7 A's 2 C's at 'O' Level - (like all my friends - now Chartered Accountant, Consultant Geriatrician and Software Engineer... you get the idea).

    I completed a technical qualification at college but wasn't really inspired by it and have been living on my wits ever since, and have managed to do pretty good career wise, more luck than judgement though.

    The problem I will avoid with my kids is that I had no other paradigm from my parents - pioneer or ...ok well get a fulltime job then...but you know inside yourself that you're not really doing the right thing.

    Kids at the best of times don't know what to do with their lives, but my choices were really limiting...anyhow - moving on...

    Bizarre thing is that my family who are shunning me (hardline types) brother is PO and mother was long time Reg Pioneer both have subsequently completed University Degrees - don't know how they can preach the current policy given they have both disobeyed..:-)

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    You've nailed it rather well, besty.

  • BBOARD
    BBOARD

    As I said I would I went to the 2 Day NORCO JW Assembly.

    F'ing sociopaths. They pulled that "do not seek higher education but instead pursue Godly Goals such as the full time pioneer service" not once ... but twice. Actually three times if you include the hint that Brother Kalandros tossed in at the end. They also had the nerve to stongly hint that JW's still in High School should take a fastcourse program to allow them to get out quicker ... to serve the WTS quicker of course.

  • aniron
    aniron

    Strangely through my years as a JW. I came across many highly educated people. Doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, couple of University Dons. Guys who ran there own buisnesses, one or two millionaires even.

    I remember one guy who was a barrister. I asked him why he was a JW. His surprising reply was, that it was a religion he didn't have to think about. He was a busy man, dealing with court cases each day. So as a JW it was all set out for him, what to believe what to do, how to behave. If some belief was wrong it was not his fault, and it could be changed. In fact when I thought about it his talks always did sound as if he was summing up at some court case.

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