Yes, the principle of Matther Chap. 18 got talked about a lot. But, I think every cong. had an elder or two who RELISHED approaching the Bro or Sis Accused after the meeting and, after grabbing another elder, pulling them into the library, closing the door and watch them squirm while they were confronted with the accusation. A certain kind of elder GOT OFF on GOTCHA! situations. I called this personality type Watchtower Nazis. I remember one elders wife who made it her business to keep her eyes and ears open for juicy gossip which went right into her pussy husbands ear. I tried to get him for not keeping confidentiality a couple of times. I was POSITIVE he was sharing committee matters with his bitch wife but I could never nail them down. Yuccch! I am so glad I'm out!
Posts by Gregor
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JW's 'tattling' on each other - an ugly culture.
by Gregor inwhen i was an elder i often was approached by publishers who wanted to report some kind of bad conduct by a brother or sister.
this led to all kinds of unpleasant, unloving situations.
the first question of the accused was always "who told you this?
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JW's 'tattling' on each other - an ugly culture.
by Gregor inwhen i was an elder i often was approached by publishers who wanted to report some kind of bad conduct by a brother or sister.
this led to all kinds of unpleasant, unloving situations.
the first question of the accused was always "who told you this?
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Gregor
One incident involved brother 'A' who was driving and saw brother 'B' go by in the other direction, smoking a cigarette!
After a couple of judicial meetings and a lot of hard feelings it appeared brother 'B' had been holding a white pen in his mouth. The two, who had been friends before, quit speaking to each other.
Sometimes it was really dicey. Like if someone saw Sister Smith smooching on Brother Jones, or in one case, Sis. Smith smooching on Sis. Jones. It turned out to be true, but broke up two families and was actually pretty harmless.
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JW's 'tattling' on each other - an ugly culture.
by Gregor inwhen i was an elder i often was approached by publishers who wanted to report some kind of bad conduct by a brother or sister.
this led to all kinds of unpleasant, unloving situations.
the first question of the accused was always "who told you this?
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Gregor
When I was an elder I often was approached by publishers who wanted to report some kind of bad conduct by a brother or sister. This led to all kinds of unpleasant, unloving situations. The first question of the accused was always "Who told you this?" We couldn't tell them. They would be (justifiably) angry. Many times this led to committee meetings and a few times action was taken, not because of the reported infraction, but because of the resulting fallout.
Anyone ever involved in one of these gestapo deals?
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Do you like having people Police you behavior?
by free2beme inoften when your in life, on message board or even among family members.
you will get people from time to time, who try to offer some sort of corrective action on your behavior.
maybe they say something like, "i think you should say that differently" or "you topic is something i think belongs elsewhere.
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Gregor
Well, Free, Obviously you're not married!
My spouse and I, after 41 years, offer critiques on each other all the time. The longer we're married the more I find she is right!
But I think what you're really talking about is being corrected by those who don't know you. After 35 years in the WT org. I am sensitive to "moral authority" figures who want to fine tune me.
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Describe A Watctower Infiltrator In A Kingdom Hall
by minimus ini believe that a number of witnesses are leadind double lives.
they go to meetings.
they might even be elders and ministerial servants.
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Gregor
Wow, One of my favorite subjects!
Once a JW in good standing realizes he or she has been 'had' they fall into two general kinds of psuedo JW's.
1. The Cool Heads. They are pragmatic. They have their whole lives entangled, sometimes including their livelihoods, often their family and a spouse who may be very dedicated Kool-Aid drinkers. So they lay low, play the game. Some can handle this for as long as...? but some get eaten up inside, they look in the mirror every morning and see a hypocrit.
2. The Hot Bloods. When the light bulb goes on over their head and they get that 'fire in the bones' the can no more put on an act then they can fly. To hell with the collateral damage, they are gonzo and probably not quietly. They, too, pay a painful price but are willing to pay it.
I was a type 2. I have no regrets, other than losing contact with my beloved Grandparents who died a few years after I bailed out. But that couldn't be helped. I consider leaving that organization one of my proudest achievements.
I have known a few type1's. They could leave the KH on Sunday and pop over to my house (park in the back) to visit and commiserate about the latest Watchtower BS. You know what? I lost contact with them after a while because I got to the point I couldn't respect them anymore. Every time I would talk to them I felt like I needed a good hot bath.
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I confess - Please help
by Lady Lee ini can't stand it anymore.
i've been suffering with a problem for the last 20 years.
i don't even know what it is called.
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Gregor
That's easy, you have OCD, Obsessive Christmastree Disorder. The classic symptom is feeling like a yo-yo on a rollercoaster which is not only annoying but dangerous, especially when the coaster is going down and the yo-yo is going up, ouch! Sometimes I feel like a Scotch and soda on an airplane but that's something entirely different.
One solution is to get your ass back in the TRUTH and quit celebrating pagan holidays (except halloween of course which is cool).
By the way, I've often thought that the only thing I miss about JW's is NOT celebrating Xmas. Now that makes sense!
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If you had 1 hour left to live, what would you say to Jehovah?
by JH in.
this should be interesting
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Gregor
"Where the hell have you been? Do you see this big f...king mess you got me into? How about a little courtesy over here.
Isn't that what Jesus said, more or less, when he had about an hour left?
That was just after he said, "hey, Peter, I can see your house from up here"
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
by cheezy in"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
a famous quote that surely has come up here before....?
can we talk?
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Gregor
I thought the ."..triumph of evil..." quote was from Hugh Hefner.
He's better known for saying "Well, you're a long time dead" and "Seize the day!" and "Drink and eat Mary" and "hey, it burns when I piss!"
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
by cheezy in"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
a famous quote that surely has come up here before....?
can we talk?
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Gregor
Well, there are some pretty smart people posting in here. I admire the on-point, clear thinking Cheezy and others about the WT debacle. I do think we have a responsibility to try and get out the word to those who might respond. The only problem is, in my case, I made such a big splash as the former high profile local JW community elder who grew horns and went apostate that I can't get within a mile of any potential JW 'turncoat'. They run screaming and clutching their crucifiX (Watchtower).
By the way, does anyone know where I could get some really kick ass green bud?
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Beginning to not care... again
by daystar inbefore i created an account here on jwd, i was in a place where i really didn't care about the jw religion any more.
i didn't know or care to know about any of the "scandals".
i'd heard about the un/ngo issue and it raised my eyebrows.
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Gregor
T-Shirt idea.
Front: "Apostafest Dallas '05"
Back: "Eat Shit and Die, Watchtower!"