in the appendix of the new "keep yourselves in god's love"-book i found the following statements regarding contact to ex-jw-family members:.
what if a relative is disfellowshipped?
in such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty.
Excuse me, but isn't FAMILY FAMILY no mater where in the world they live?
Yes, definitely. But not for the WTS. They make (not only in this book. You can find it also in this 2002 km) a difference between the inner family circle (depending on living under the same roof) and the rest of the family, what they downgrade to "relatives". This is how active JW (including my and my wifes family) understand it.
This is insane cult-thinking and has nothing to do with the thinking of normal people.
in the appendix of the new "keep yourselves in god's love"-book i found the following statements regarding contact to ex-jw-family members:.
what if a relative is disfellowshipped?
in such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty.
I found the statements in an pdf-copy of this book. Download-Link was somewhere here in this board. I couldn't find it again, so perhaps somebody else could post a link to the thread where the DL-Link was posted.
However, the book is copyright 2008. It's the new book published on this years district conventions.
in the appendix of the new "keep yourselves in god's love"-book i found the following statements regarding contact to ex-jw-family members:.
what if a relative is disfellowshipped?
in such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty.
@oompa:
That's the point.
To solve this antagonism, they redefine "family". Everyone living outside the jw-family-home is no longer part of the family-circle. No family -> no ties -> no antagonism between paragraph two and three...
in the appendix of the new "keep yourselves in god's love"-book i found the following statements regarding contact to ex-jw-family members:.
what if a relative is disfellowshipped?
in such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty.
In the appendix of the new "Keep Yourselves in God's Love"-Book I found the following statements regarding contact to ex-JW-Family members:
What if a relative is disfellowshipped?
In such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty. How should we treat a disfellowshipped relative? We cannot here cover every situation that may arise, but let us focus on two basic ones.In some instances, the disfellowshipped family member may still be living in the same home as part of the immediate household. Since his being disfellowshipped does not sever the family ties, normal day-to-day family activities and dealings may continue. Yet, by his course, the individual has chosen to break the spiritual bond between him and his believing family. So loyal family members can no longer havespiritual fellowship with him. For example, if the disfellowshipped one is present, he would not participate when the family gets together to study the Bible. However, if the disfellowshipped one is a minor child, the parents are still responsible to instruct and discipline him. Hence, loving parents may arrange to conduct a Bible study with the child. * - Proverbs 6:20-22 ; 29:17 .
In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum. Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves. them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping. Their loyal course has the best interests of the wrongdoer at heart and may help him to benefit from the discipline received.
* - Hebrews 12:11 .[Footnote]
* Bible principles on this subject apply equally to those who disassociate themselves from the congregation.
* For more information about disfellowshipped minor children living in the home, see
The Watchtower of October 1, 2001, pages 16-17 , and November 15,1988, page 20 .* For more information about how to treat disfellowshipped relatives, see the Scriptural counsel discussed in
The Watchtower of April 15, 1988, pages 26-31 , and September 15, 1981, pages 26-31 .
This is IMO a very good example for the manipulative watchtower-language:
If the disfellowshipped person is still living in the same house like the rest of the JW-Family, it's still called a "family member". If the disfellowshipped ones live somewhere else (like adult children who already left their parents home), they are only "relatives".
Normal people would define the closest family circle for instance as parents and their children. The watchtower authors make it depending on the domicile. When leaving their parents home, children face a downgraded to simple "relatives".
i have heard from my father (who is an elder about 50 years old) that there is a great seperating work going on within the org.
he said that almost all of the people my age 25 to 35 have quit going to our hall (about 20 people).
i have not been to a meeting in about 1 year.
it's been going down for years. i remember that we had to remove a few lines of seats, so the hall would not look all that empty.i also know that many (i used to do that too) don't go into field service but turn in some 2-4 hours every month.
It's the same here in northern germany. Congs that have been separated in the late 80s/early 90s are merging again, lines of seats being removed (to have more space for the families with kids, of course. Not because it looks so depressing empty in the halls). Many (I also did that)counterfeiting their field service reports...
It's going down...
here is something that i have wondered if it would work.
for this experiment, you would probably need to be single with not much family.
you would also need to legally change your name.. what if you were df'd.
I know several former JWs, who have been MS or Elder and who told me, that they have been non-believers for years before they left the wts. One or two of them were announced MS or Elder while they were cheating in their field service reports, not studying and so on. It was false front, but the holy spirit didn't recognize...
at the wednesday night ministry school meeting, a letter from the society was read announcing that wtbts paperbacked publications will begin to be laminated.
according to the letter, this "will save approximately 2 million dollars per year," "lengthen the life of the publications," and "increase the attractiveness" of the publications.. so there's that.. .
also, will someone please explain to me why 85% of the congregation started smiling and nodding at this.. i sometimes think that headquarters could send the congregations boxes of turds and the jws would act like it was the best thing ever..
Why don't they outsourse the printing to India.
Not India. There's only one country that truly fits to the WTS: North Korea. North Korea could also solve any problems with apostate family members: They could open theocratic re-education camps there, where also the printing can be done.
for a short (german) article about the bloodguiltiness-doctrine i am in need of a certain wto-quote, i can`t find anymore.
it must be an older article, saying that people in countries, where the wto is forbidden, the people have an indirect liability for the wto-ban, because they elected/supported the government, that prohibited the wto.
and therefore it's ok for jehovah to kill them in armageddon.
Well, here it is. It's in german.
http://www.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1476&Itemid=29
for a short (german) article about the bloodguiltiness-doctrine i am in need of a certain wto-quote, i can`t find anymore.
it must be an older article, saying that people in countries, where the wto is forbidden, the people have an indirect liability for the wto-ban, because they elected/supported the government, that prohibited the wto.
and therefore it's ok for jehovah to kill them in armageddon.
WOW! THAT was fast!!! Thanks a lot. Best regards, Ianua
for a short (german) article about the bloodguiltiness-doctrine i am in need of a certain wto-quote, i can`t find anymore.
it must be an older article, saying that people in countries, where the wto is forbidden, the people have an indirect liability for the wto-ban, because they elected/supported the government, that prohibited the wto.
and therefore it's ok for jehovah to kill them in armageddon.
For a short (german) article about the bloodguiltiness-doctrine I am in need of a certain WTO-Quote, I can`t find anymore.
It must be an older article, saying that people in countries, where the WTO is forbidden, the people have an indirect liability for the WTO-Ban, because they elected/supported the government, that prohibited the WTO. And therefore it's OK for Jehovah to kill them in Armageddon.
Can anybody help me please?
Thank you in advance!
Regards from Germany,
Ianua
