Posts by amommy

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Help! I want a Christian person to tell me who Abadon is in Rev.9:11?

by amommy in

i was raised jw .

i am no longer practicing and was always taught by the watchtower abadon(apollyon) is christ himself.

is this true?

amommy

Abaddon/Apollyon what exactly was the point to referring to Jesus as demonic? Do you believe he was?

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Help! I want a Christian person to tell me who Abadon is in Rev.9:11?

by amommy in

i was raised jw .

i am no longer practicing and was always taught by the watchtower abadon(apollyon) is christ himself.

is this true?

amommy

First of all hats off to LEO ...always on her Game!!!!!!!!!! Wish more people studied like this.

Ok, I've been giving this even more thought (maybe to Much) I woke up at 4am last night and this thought came to me , What if the WT peoples who obviously have proven to lack god's holy spirit with all the false predictions, what if they are teaching that Ababon is Jesus so that when Armagedon comes maybe just maybe ,people will literally carry a mark to distinguish them . If they taught witnesses ,this false conclusion with satanic influence. What if they got WT peoples to carry a sign on them with the name marking them in the last days as Abadon or Apollyon then they unknowingly would be marked for destruction as really on the side of Satan the devil. That would be the biggest Jim Jones, Waco etc.... Ever! Scarey!!!!!!

Ok! Also all who have'nt read the book of John closely needs to again maybe twice. " No part of this world means no part of the world of Fleshly Men so, when you believe in Christ and are born of Spirit You are then no Part of this World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " No one can enter the kingdom of God until they are born of Spirit. I have been learning alot these last three weeks. Thanks for all the help!

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Help! I want a Christian person to tell me who Abadon is in Rev.9:11?

by amommy in

i was raised jw .

i am no longer practicing and was always taught by the watchtower abadon(apollyon) is christ himself.

is this true?

amommy

Hi All ! I have been going around and around on this one. I was raised JW . I am no longer practicing and was always taught by the watchtower Abadon(Apollyon) is Christ himself. Is this true? Many Occultists say it is the devil. This seems pretty big that we get it straight.

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What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

by amommy in

i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

amommy

jgnat,

Thanks for your comment ! What an eye opener of simplicity.Can't believe I repeated "scare" that many times. You are right I am making too much of that . I just want moral children who one day have a mate who provides them with the needs they deserve. Because hopefully they will be worthy of that.

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What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

by amommy in

i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

amommy

So sorry to hear about your daughter. She is very young. What were her symptoms? I mean it isn't likely she thought she had cancer with so clean a past. I will pray for her. My prayers have changed at this point. I now pray to my Heavenly Father the god of Abaraham ..is how I address him. Of course I close in Jesus name. I'm still at such a recent phase of all this. I mean it is hard to know how to worship. Before our goal is preaching the good news door to door. I want to be very careful to not get clouded anymore than I have been.

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What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

by amommy in

i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

amommy

Reaper . I know what you mean. It is sad the dedication people including my own family put into this. My dad got disfellowshipped a year before his death at age 76. My mom stood by him and after much pleaing they reinstated him on his deathbed 23 hours later he passed. My mom remarried at age 65 less than a year later to a pioneer brother. He is dogmatic as they come. My mom is on anti-depressants still from the loss. This man controls her. My sister and I both baptized at very young ages are respectful to her loving the pioneer work but are concerned at the way this awful man treats her. When we (my sister &I) recently expressed concerns about our teachings in the organization he read our emails to her and now we are considered a write off apostates. We brought up the UN involvement and without their research called liars. My mom did look up the Beth- Sarim info. and though disturbed said those things were 100 years ago and the society (of course) has new light! Since now she has cut me off, I have continued to research things. It is amazing all that I'm learning. It is wonderful the fresh student of the bible I feel like. But then there's this anger toward all the brainwashing I myself was guilty of at the doors of innocent people. Like a fool I backed up our bible which is completely a horrible translation. All these false dates we use to scare people in. URGH!!!!!!! I am so glad I now am not blind. Atleast our Father in the Heavens (as Jesus taught us to address him at Matt 6:9&10 )he knows our hearts. And isn't it funny how simple things start to seem now. Like that scripture! Does'nt it make sense for a true personal relationship we would call him Father not Jehovah? I mean my children do not call their Father by his first name (Gregory) that would be less personal. We are taught the only way to have a personal relationship is to call him by his name. He isn't our buddy , he is our Father ( Our heavenly Father) . If we really wanted a better name to represent us we should have been Kingdom Witnesses. But Hey, Rutherford gave us that name! Look at him. He spent alot of money during the great depression ( society monies) to build a house for The Princes , what a grand display for not our "Father "but himself. He also instituted the Preaching Work. OH! It is so upseting. My husband and I are in a dilema because both our families are 2nd and 3rd generation. We will be so alone. And then the Grandma on his side is always witnessing to my little ones and studying with them. (Their ages are 3girl and 1boy) Yikes! I see this whole thing as a rotten apple now, and I don't want then tainted at all like I was as a child. The only thing I took that was good was my morals. Which I now want to give to my kids but am scared I won't be able to accomplish this without the scare I was given to ingrain it into me. That is probably what scares me most .

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Can you help me find info about Gods name

by PoppyR in

hi everyone, i have tried the search function (honest!

) but cant find the posts that i know are here.

tonight in the book study they were talking about daniel using gods name and i remembered reading somewhere that the jws put it in the nwt where it wasn't used.

amommy

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spent my entire afternoon reading the Link that was provided here.

So impressed, thanks for the webpage link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I recently had doubts about everything I had been taught growing up as a JW, including what God's real name is. I believe it now is correct to use Jehovah, but believe from my new investigation that Jesus Christ is at one with him in the sense at one time Jesus was only Jehovah "YHWH" and after being born a man he became our ransom The Christ. The Almighty God is 3 in 1 and therefore everything to us! Praise Jah! Hail the firstborn king! May the Holy Spirit be among you! The Alpha and Omega ,the first and the last.(Rev.1:8,17-18; 22:12-13) Thank You!

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Revelation 20 questions

by IsaacHorwitz in

i have some questions on revelation 20. i have posted verses 7-13 below from the new world mistranslation and put my questions below the verses.

7 now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, gog and ma gog, to gather them together for the war.

the number of these is as the sand of the sea..

amommy

Could someone tell me who Abadon or Apollyon of Revelation 9:11 is? Because I have been a JW all my life and have now stepped back to really examine the bible on my on and it does'nt appear that he is Jesus Christ as the WT says he is (WT of 12/1/65) He looks to be the Devil to me. Am I stupid here? I know that Moses preformed a miracle using this name. What is the association? Please help!

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What is God's true organization he is using? if this not it, then point me

by amommy in

i have been a jw all my life, my sister and i are now in our late twenties and are so unhappy and after desparate attempts to keep up meeting attendance are not spiritually motivated.

we in last few weeks have found some very disturbing things in our search such as the un involvement.

after research on these things and use of the wt library the society speaks for it's self on these issues calling the un the "disgusting thing" that the book of daniel spoke about(wt 85' para.

amommy

LEGOLAS, Please prove your statement.

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The 144,000 and the Great Crowd of Revelation

by Leolaia in

8-11; ch.

as in ch.

like the "great crowd", they are "of every race, language, people, and nation (cf.

amommy

Wow your thread was indepth and lengthy ...but so awesome your time invested in sharing! I am however having to read and reread to understand your thoughts. When reading Revelation 14:5(They Never allowed a lie to pass their lips and no fault can be found in them) This is speaking of the 144,000, WTB&TS so called Faithful and Discreet Slave . I thought of how that can not be them with all their erred ways ! 1975, 1914 etc... etc.... etc...