Posts by Bill Covert

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My Pseudo-Education Hasn't Hurt Me None, I Can Still Read the Writing on King Belshazzar's Wall~Part III

by TMS in

before i go to extreme south texas, let me acknowledge an early influence that gave me self-worth, self-assurance, self-esteem and the feeling that i was as good as any damn person on this planet.. larry ranch, my congregation servant in renton, washington(home of boeing aircraft), was on my dad's judicial committee.

my dad had sexually molested my sister, sandy, repeatedly.

my dad got probation from the judicial committee.

Bill Covert

Yes there were some real people in that era. I am 70 and veiewed the generation proir as indeed the greatest generation in this country. Those who went through the great depression, WW 2. Those were the people who made the JW religion respectable. In the JW community there were individuals [both men and women] who were the father and mother figures. It was said somewhere " it takes a village to raise a boy OR girl" and it was folks like Larry who left their mark on us 'baby boomers'.

But all that has been eroded by the "obedience to the organization mantra". The WTBS is now a "system" and those who know how to work a system are the elders who leave their mark on the younger generation. Big diffrence between how those of us 'baby bomers' turned out, having ' Larry Ranch's' as father figures compared with the present day crop of JW young adults.

that was a neat post, Thanks

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Article: Autopsy: Prince Died Of Overdose Of Fentanyl

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/06/02/prince-autopsy-death-toxicology/.

minneapolis (wcco/ap) — autopsy results show that prince died of a self-administered overdose of fentanyl, and his death was ruled accidental.. the 57-year-old singer was found dead april 21 at his minneapolis-area estate.

the findings confirm suspicions that opioids played a role in the musician’s death.. after he died, authorities began reviewing whether an overdose was to blame and whether he had been prescribed drugs in the preceding weeks.. according to the national institute on drug abuse, fentanyl is more potent than morphine, and is “sometimes used to treat people with chronic pain who are physically tolerant to opiates.”.

Bill Covert

Should make for quite a story if connection made connecting the pain killers to Princes bad hip joints and his JW 'policy' of blood prohibition preventing joint replacements.

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Has anyone been outed by jw health care workers?

by purrpurr in

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carrying on from audespare thread.

i was wondering how common it is for a sinner/apostate to be outed by a babbling jw care worker?

say you went to your dr because you were pregnant and unmarried or wanting counseling for having to live a double life as a pretend jw... and a jw secretary at the drs office saw this on your file and went tattling to the elders?.

Bill Covert

The one who had the right to judge never got to be born. As to whether Sharon deserved what she got would depend on where you stand on the abortion issue. But what she got crushed her, as to be a nurse was her hearts desire.

But the important thing by bring up the account is to realize how the GB mislead their readers by changing efforts to save a human life into something trivial as reporting a sinner. That article was written by an APOSTATE!

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Has anyone been outed by jw health care workers?

by purrpurr in

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carrying on from audespare thread.

i was wondering how common it is for a sinner/apostate to be outed by a babbling jw care worker?

say you went to your dr because you were pregnant and unmarried or wanting counseling for having to live a double life as a pretend jw... and a jw secretary at the drs office saw this on your file and went tattling to the elders?.

Bill Covert

Robo Bobo Is correct the title of the Wt article was "A Time to Speak When?". The health care worker is now married to a uncle of mine her name is Sharon G. The event happened in the Calif. Bay Area. In the article she was represented as a clerk in medical records, named Mary, who came across payment for a abortion procedure as proof that the unmarried sister was a fornicator hence needed to be reported to elders per Lev.5:1. Sharon in truth was a nurse and saw a married sister scheduled for a abortion, she tried to talk the sister out of the abortion, she went to the elders to try and talk the sister out of the abortion, the sister went ahead and had the abortion. Sharon was trying to save a human life not report a sin. For her efforts she was balck balled out of the medical profession for revealing confidential information.

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I thought it was time to talk.....

by wozza in

i'd like to relate an experience i had yesterday with a couple of jw's "working" with a cart yesterday.. been coming to this site for many years and these days i don't feel i've got much to contribute ,but i was out yesterday doing some voluntary work for a friend who has gone on an overseas trip .travelling around my local seaside area doing the job at hand ,i came across a couple of jw's sitting in a shelter overlooking the beach and had their trolley propped against a large public rubbish bin ,it was actually hard to see ithe trolley from most angles - whatever happened to lifting the basket to show the light stuff ...oh well .the large carpark was pretty empty except for us ,we've had pretty wet weather here lately ,bad storms and here they were set up for a days witnessing rugged up with wind and spitting rain ,i sort of thought " well that's dedication " ....that was my first thought then i pulled myself together and then thought "if i wanted to get some time in and not have to work at it too hard this maybe the place to go if i was a jw still".. well i finished my pickup and looked over at the two and realised i'd read other's experiences about approaching the cart people and wondered if talking to them would be of any benefit as i had witnessed this area for many years and my stance against the wts for hiding molestation of children is well known ,i thought, and they avoid me like the plague.. they were'nt familiar to me so i went up to them and introduced myself and quickly let them know who i was and what i am doing now as regards jw's.

they were a married couple middle aged been in for a long time and could relate to changes in the org very well to pre 1975 when i had first contact.

they pretty much suggested i was blinded to the truth ,when challenged on the royal commission into sex abuse they pointed to a case where they believed a victim they supposedly knew of in the jws was a liar ,so that's their case for the org -unbelievable.

Bill Covert

The contribution of Deut.22:25-27 you made, to me was an outstanding enlightenment. I have included that in my letter writing to prove the "two witness rule" is of apostate orgin. NY has not liked your workmanship, they have came down very hard as to anyone talking to my df'd son, here a couple of weeks ago. He is going to a funeral tomorrow and I will expect him to experience a total silence, due to what I learned from you. Your workmanship has become known in Northern California.

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1958 Convention Program. 8 days from 9am till 9pm. Anyone attend?

by StopTheTears in

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how in the world did they justify this torture?

imagine the children forced to sit in the summer heat at yankee stadium for 12 hours a day.

for 8 days.

Bill Covert

To me those assemblies were opprtunities for adventure from a dreary JW childhood as it offered the oppertunity to 'work' at the assembly. I fed Otto Stores tray drying machine in Candlestick in 1961, Rose Bowl in 63, Candlestick in 66. Was in charge of garbage removal in Atlanta in 69. Which was cool, that way I didn't have to go out in field service and didn't have to were meeting clothes, as I was 'working'.

Those who went to Candlestick Park well knew the Mark Twain quote " that the coldest winter he ever knew was a summer in San Francisco".

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Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

by atomant in

operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

Bill Covert

I went in for a minor thying, when asked about blood I said there was no problem as I was DFed . The doctor of whom I knew [I provided a event where his two daughters played fiddles] I told him I was a former JW and he said "me too".

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Fleecing the Flock

by Coded Logic in

at the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).

this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).

if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.

Bill Covert

That is where we used to hold the two circuit assemblies. Worked out good. Think about the bros who lived in Alturas, long drive to Redding, now add the extra 120 miles to Yuba City. Major undertaking for a worn out program.

Yuba City was built on that 'quick build' fervor, 1980's. Quite a 'cash cow'!

During the time the assemblies were held at the Civic center there was a city manager who made possible the affordable rates. He was replaced, next manager was going to raise the rate some but the real bone of contention was that the city went into contract with a food vender for exclusive rights to provide all food at center events. That was the selling point to build Yuba City.

Bill

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AustralianRoyal Commission is big news in oz

by sherrie11 in

the catholic church case study28 is currently a major news item here in australia.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/01/george-pell-wasnt-much-interested-in-stories-of-abuse-by-priests-which-was-lucky-for-his-career&ved=0ahukewjjq_xlvqhlahxml6ykhdm0bdqqfghumac&usg=afqjcnfi_zb-5ibnlx2sw02siwh8i9s1ha&sig2=mmowhxclxmgu1wohyo7ofw.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/02/was-george-pell-now-scourge-of-the-vatican-once-hoodwinked-by-all-around-him&ved=0ahukewjjq_xlvqhlahxml6ykhdm0bdqqqumiizac&usg=afqjcnfx3qszc7zlocm8aw9h6j8vga_0hg&sig2=xkexfa7lfa6qjnlazwh8da.

Bill Covert

The story made it in the Redding Ca. newspaper on Monday and Tuesday.

I will use them in my harassment letters in a couple of days.

Bill

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Had a wonderful visit with Mr and Mrs Flipper Sat.

by 3rdgen in

i haven't posted much lately because i got a new job at the end of nov. and it's taken much of my time and mental energy.

i still read though and care for you all very much so i thought i should let you know about the meet-up i had yesterday with mr and mrs flipper.. hubby got a call the day before from flipper saying he and his wife were going to visit his mother (who is in a rest home in my town) and would we like to meet up for coffee?

hubby couldn't make it but i was delighted to accept.. we picked a burger place not far from the rest home and where i knew jdubs don't usually hang out on saturdays.

Bill Covert

If that Pizza invite is close to Redding Let me know.

Bill