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  Memorial invitation 2010

  by dozy in

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  2. bible

  apologies if already posted , but there is to be another invitation campaign next year - running between 13th - 30th march.

  it is mentioned in the february 2010 km.. .

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  alanv

  Dozy, Is there a copy of the 2009 service report in the Feb KM and if not do you know when we can get sight of it. Thanks.
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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  alanv

  Interestingly former governing body member Ray Franz researched it when he was working on the Aid book inthe late 70s. His conclusion was that you can't successfully prove it was 607, so the society simply tried to show how secular dates for 586/7 may be wrong.
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  March 15, 2010 Watchtower -- "One Flock, One Shepherd"

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.

  16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.

  "paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.

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  alanv

  Cantleave. Is that right or just a joke that the Yearbook will be out in February. Also is not the 2009 service report coming out in an incert in Kingdom Ministry. Surely both should be out by now!
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  Pioneering !

  by iknowall558 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  question :.

  why is 'pioneering' a 'privilege' when every jw goes out in ministry anyway.

  even those who have lost privileges, or been disciplined, or been reinstated after being disfellowshipped are still expected to go out in the ministry.

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  alanv

  It is all to do with serving 100%. The society know that many can't do it because of family responsabilities but those with no ties are encouraged to do all they can. I gave up an apprentaship to regular pioneer because it was put to me what is the point in building a carrer in a dying system.

  Iknow. The reason you are expected to be exempary is because you are spending so much more time with the public. Just like a company rep. would have to be red hot when dealing with the public so too with a pioneer.

  Everyone who steps down from a position is viewed with extreme skeptasism. They always wonder if you are on your way out.

  The society are old hands at this. They know exactly what they are doing as would any worldwide business.
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  Bethel Layoffs

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  could those who know about these lay offs give some clear evidence of what has happened, when, to who, any experiences of people effected and to what extent?.

  i want to talk to a really good friend about the situation.

  he is a young guy who feels he should be doing more for the organisation, and is thinking about giving up a very good career to make a more of his career in the "truth".

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  alanv

  Billy some really good answers there. You have to play them at their own game. It is hard for anyone not in the U S to see that the society are cutting back, especially with their apparant 4% increase in N. Americathis year.

  Cantleave. I suggest you search all the sites on the internet to find what would be helpful for your friend. Some things mean nothing to them whereas other things really hit a nerve. Good luck
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  CreativHoneys new Alias.. THE ELDERS CAME TO MY DOOR!!! NEED SOME SUPPORT.

  by creativjamspam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi all, - firstly a new alias, so i can use the gravatar function...- ill be using both for a while till this one kicks in.. .

  ok, so some of you know im dfd and my faded sister lives with me.. - today at about 1pm, the elder who dfd me turned up at my door.

  i was in bed - ive had a cold for three days and a hacking cough.. james came up and told me, and i said im not well, but my sense of motherliness kicked in and i thought, its not for my eleven year old son to deal with this.

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  alanv

  Remember that July 2009 Awake! Well notice these words on page 29:“No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

  Sounds like that elder should read the societies own words. Clearly they are breaking their own rules. Hypocrites!
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  Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  utterly embarrassing.

  how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

  hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

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  alanv

  Great job. All these dates and their interpretation was one of the reasons I left the org. It really is absolute rubbish.
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  I helped shovel my worldy neighbour's mailbox out; Elder did nothing!!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, it was sunday.

  this was the day after our large n'oreaster here in pennsylvania.

  we got 16" of snow in one day.

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  alanv

  To be fair to them, they are not all like that. My mother in law used to spend a lot of time simply helping an old lady near where she used to live. When my mother in law died the lady was heart broken and said she had never known such a fine christian lady. Incidently there was no preaching involved.

  So the moral is that there are good and bad among the witnesses just like anybody else.

  The point you made was valid though. Certainly an elder should go out of his way to help, but as I say there are good and bad.
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  How accurate is the Worldwide Report

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was talking with the cong secretary the other day and he told me that all reports are rounded up before they are sent to the society.

  i was just starting to think about how all this rounding up has an impact on the overall totals.. some publishers may round up or guesstimate their figures reporting additional time, congregation secretaries round up the cong report anything from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

  when you start extrapollating that across all the publishers and all congregations the margin of error becomes enormous.. the report becomes less meaningful each month by the end of the year we are potentially millions of hours adrift of the actual number.

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  alanv

  If the rounding up is for the total publisher report for that month and you had 100 publishers doing 10 hours which equates to 1000 hours, then you are talking about .1% difference.

  However if the rounding up is for individual publishers going maybe from 9.25 to 10 hours a month then that could start to make a difference.
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  Attending my mum's JW wedding

  by iMARX in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i have to go to my mum's jw wedding in 2 weeks.

  it's not in a kh but there's still going to be about 40 jws there.

  apparently it's "widely-known" that i'm gay and some jws have even told my mum that it's not wise to invite me because it will make other people (jws) feel uncomfortable.

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  alanv

  Personally I think you should show them that even though you're gay, you are actually a very nice, caring person. JWs automatically think that anyone who carries on a life different from their own is a bad person. You have the chance to show them how happy and fulfilling your life is now.

  Just wondered as well why the wedding is not at a Kingdom Hall