Posts by alanv

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Has/did TBTS abandoned Russell AND Rutherford?

by Aussie Oz in

15 years ago

playing with myspace today and came across this, saying that the wt has abandoned both of them.

is it not more a case of they pick and choose the bits of their now archaic writings that support current thinking?

i dont know that one could say they have been rejected though.... what thinks you?.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

The society will always say that since the Russell and Rutherford days they have received new light. They say that it would have been impossible to have everything explained and understood immediately. Therefor things have been revealed gradually.

They then quote the scripture that says Jesus had more things to tell his followers but they were not ready at that time. (something like that)

There is no excuse though for teaching one thing then getting rid of it and then reinstating it again, which they have done with many things.

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The "move away" Fade

by jacquicortez in

15 years ago

looking back there were quite a few families that did the "oh we're moving" fade.

they would move to a rural area.

or a state or two away.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Surely moving away from a congregation is a bit over the top. After all you have nothing to be ashamed of. If you were baptised years ago before they changed the vows they can't didfellowship you for just disagreeing with their doctrines. Only if they catch you causing divisions in the cong, then they may go after you.

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I have a question that I need your help with.

by Pallbearer in

15 years ago

hi folks,.

i have a real serious question that i hope you will be able to help me with.. in the 4-1-1986 watchtower, pages 30-31 it talks about "approved association".

what i'm seeking your opinion about is this: if a baptized jw is deemed to not be an 'approved associate' at some point (due to his having developed a divergent view regarding one or more of the watchtower's unique teachings) does his 'not being an approved associate' mean that the watchtower society no longer considers him to be a jw?

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Some years ago the baptismal vows were changed. You now have to vow to abide by the rules of the society. So if you don't and they consider you could cause divisions, you will be booted out. For those who got baptised years ago it is not so easy for the elders to disfellowship for someone just not agreeing with everything that is said from the platform.

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Memorial invitation 2010

by dozy in

15 years ago

apologies if already posted , but there is to be another invitation campaign next year - running between 13th - 30th march.

it is mentioned in the february 2010 km.. .

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Dozy, Is there a copy of the 2009 service report in the Feb KM and if not do you know when we can get sight of it. Thanks.

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For those who researched 607...

by AwSnap in

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friends

15 years ago

did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Interestingly former governing body member Ray Franz researched it when he was working on the Aid book inthe late 70s. His conclusion was that you can't successfully prove it was 607, so the society simply tried to show how secular dates for 586/7 may be wrong.

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March 15, 2010 Watchtower -- "One Flock, One Shepherd"

by sd-7 in

15 years ago

march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.

16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.

"paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Cantleave. Is that right or just a joke that the Yearbook will be out in February. Also is not the 2009 service report coming out in an incert in Kingdom Ministry. Surely both should be out by now!

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Pioneering !

by iknowall558 in

15 years ago

question :.

why is 'pioneering' a 'privilege' when every jw goes out in ministry anyway.

even those who have lost privileges, or been disciplined, or been reinstated after being disfellowshipped are still expected to go out in the ministry.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

It is all to do with serving 100%. The society know that many can't do it because of family responsabilities but those with no ties are encouraged to do all they can. I gave up an apprentaship to regular pioneer because it was put to me what is the point in building a carrer in a dying system.

Iknow. The reason you are expected to be exempary is because you are spending so much more time with the public. Just like a company rep. would have to be red hot when dealing with the public so too with a pioneer.

Everyone who steps down from a position is viewed with extreme skeptasism. They always wonder if you are on your way out.

The society are old hands at this. They know exactly what they are doing as would any worldwide business.

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Bethel Layoffs

by cantleave in

15 years ago

could those who know about these lay offs give some clear evidence of what has happened, when, to who, any experiences of people effected and to what extent?.

i want to talk to a really good friend about the situation.

he is a young guy who feels he should be doing more for the organisation, and is thinking about giving up a very good career to make a more of his career in the "truth".

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Billy some really good answers there. You have to play them at their own game. It is hard for anyone not in the U S to see that the society are cutting back, especially with their apparant 4% increase in N. Americathis year.

Cantleave. I suggest you search all the sites on the internet to find what would be helpful for your friend. Some things mean nothing to them whereas other things really hit a nerve. Good luck

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CreativHoneys new Alias.. THE ELDERS CAME TO MY DOOR!!! NEED SOME SUPPORT.

by creativjamspam in

15 years ago

hi all, - firstly a new alias, so i can use the gravatar function...- ill be using both for a while till this one kicks in.. .

ok, so some of you know im dfd and my faded sister lives with me.. - today at about 1pm, the elder who dfd me turned up at my door.

i was in bed - ive had a cold for three days and a hacking cough.. james came up and told me, and i said im not well, but my sense of motherliness kicked in and i thought, its not for my eleven year old son to deal with this.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Remember that July 2009 Awake! Well notice these words on page 29:“No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Sounds like that elder should read the societies own words. Clearly they are breaking their own rules. Hypocrites!

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Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

by yadda yadda 2 in

15 years ago

utterly embarrassing.

how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

15 years ago

alanv 15 years ago

Great job. All these dates and their interpretation was one of the reasons I left the org. It really is absolute rubbish.

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