Posts by alanv

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How long will it be before ALL the Governing body are in their late 30's and 40's???

by Witness 007 in

as the oldest members die off in 2010 it's going to be very hard to find qualified men from the anionted who are capable of joining the governing body.

most are just too old, so the new trend is younger members.

in 10 years i can imagine the governing body members looking like a young boy band, eating pizza at their meetings and saying things like "dude, like what's up with this blood doctrine?

alanv

I'm pretty sure reading between the lines that most of the research and number crunching is done by those not proffesing to be of the anointed.

There is no reason why books and magazines can not be written by brothers or sisters.

The main criteria seems to be that the governing body simply have to intial an article to say they agree with it. Ray Franz dealt with this in his books .

Certainly none of the older members are going to spend hours reading every article written for publication, they will rely on others to do that.

The whole faithful and discreet thing is a joke as is the growing numbers who proffess to be of that class.

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SCAN OF THE 2009 WORLDWIDE REPORT OF JWS REQUESTED

by steve2 in

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could someone with access to the jw yearbook provide a scan of the country-by-country figures for 2009?

i've seen the overview page scanned from the yearbook of the worldwide totals, but so far no scan of the figures for each country.

many thanks in advance for the scan!.

Hi Steve I posted the totals last week, but to my knowledge the actual Yearbook is not around yet. I am sure as soon as it is, someone will scan it for us. I am interested as well in the individual countries.

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Would it be fair to compare JWs to Terrorist Organisations?

by african GB Member in

-terrorists are prepared to die for their course,.

-jws are prepared to die for jehovah.. 2 terrorists treat those with different views as enemies,.

2 jws treat 'worldly people' as enemies.. 3 terrorists are brainwashed from a young age,.

alanv

I'm sure terrorists families love each other but that does not stop them being suiside bombers with full family approval. They are indoctrinated from a young age to die for the cause if necessary exactly as JWs are.

They are taught that only they are right everyone else is wrong or at best misguided. They are taught to obey the rulers with no questions asked.

So there certainly are some strong similarities.

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2009 service report grand totals only

by alanv in

branches 118. .

lands reporting 236. .

total congregations 105298. .

alanv

I thought it was interesting that although the auxillary figures were down 5.7% the regular pioneer figures were up 8.4%. So there was a clear shift from Auxillary to Regular pioneers even showing an increase. This may have something to do with people working less because of the recession. It will be interesting to see which countries particularly showed this shift.

WuzLovesDubs You are right abou Zero effectiveness although in truth the figures are not quite as bad because pioneers do a lot more hours than publishers. But still pretty awful.

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2009 service report grand totals only

by alanv in

branches 118. .

lands reporting 236. .

total congregations 105298. .

alanv

Branches 118

Lands Reporting 236

Total Congregations 105298

Worldwide Memoraial attendance 18,168,323

Memorial partakers worldwide 10857

Peak Publishers 7,313,173

Average preaching each month 7,046,419

Percentage of increase over 2008 3.2%

Total number baptised 276,233

Average auxilary publishers each month 304,551

Average pioneer publishers each month 794,317

Total hours spent in field 1,557,788,344

Average home bible studies each month 7,619,270

Figures above are based on the Japanese figures given in another thread.

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Tell me does this make Any sense?

by whathehadas in

while satan and his demons fiddled around in heaven and earth.

jehovah and jesus waited for over 2,000 years before kickin them out.

while a jdubb who is declared a apostate by the governing body and elders is kicked out asap!

alanv

Let's face it. One man makes a mistake and Billions of people suffer for for it. Some in the worst kind of suffering possable. Would any human father simply stand by and let it happen even though it would be easy for him to help. And the reason he does nothing is to make a point that there would be some of his family that care enough for him to not blame him for all this. It's pathetic.

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GB and Doctrine review/change

by african GB Member in

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some jw doctrines which were implemented years ago were clearly never thought out wisely,.

i wonder if the gb would ever consider reviewing for example, the blood doctrine which causes so many unneccesary deaths amongst jws.. and then again they would be careful not to just change it as this could possibly be met with an uproar from those who lost loved ones due to this doctrine..

alanv

That is now the case in many of their doctrines. With blood, minor fractions are now allowed, vaccinations are o k and transplants are now a conscience matter.

Years ago they changed alternative service from a big no no to it could be alright now it's up to your conscience. Even voting I believe is fine now in many situations.

The generation doctrine has been changed gradually over the years and has been a great embarrasment to them.

Loads of dates have changed. As soon as one date was proved to be wrong they have changed it to something else.

Any normal org. would be very embarrased by all these changes but most times the WT gets away with it claiming it is new light from Jehovah. The rank and file are so indoctrinated that this is God's org. that they accept it unreservedly.

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Has/did TBTS abandoned Russell AND Rutherford?

by Aussie Oz in

playing with myspace today and came across this, saying that the wt has abandoned both of them.

is it not more a case of they pick and choose the bits of their now archaic writings that support current thinking?

i dont know that one could say they have been rejected though.... what thinks you?.

alanv

The society will always say that since the Russell and Rutherford days they have received new light. They say that it would have been impossible to have everything explained and understood immediately. Therefor things have been revealed gradually.

They then quote the scripture that says Jesus had more things to tell his followers but they were not ready at that time. (something like that)

There is no excuse though for teaching one thing then getting rid of it and then reinstating it again, which they have done with many things.

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The "move away" Fade

by jacquicortez in

looking back there were quite a few families that did the "oh we're moving" fade.

they would move to a rural area.

or a state or two away.

alanv

Surely moving away from a congregation is a bit over the top. After all you have nothing to be ashamed of. If you were baptised years ago before they changed the vows they can't didfellowship you for just disagreeing with their doctrines. Only if they catch you causing divisions in the cong, then they may go after you.

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I have a question that I need your help with.

by Pallbearer in

hi folks,.

i have a real serious question that i hope you will be able to help me with.. in the 4-1-1986 watchtower, pages 30-31 it talks about "approved association".

what i'm seeking your opinion about is this: if a baptized jw is deemed to not be an 'approved associate' at some point (due to his having developed a divergent view regarding one or more of the watchtower's unique teachings) does his 'not being an approved associate' mean that the watchtower society no longer considers him to be a jw?

alanv

Some years ago the baptismal vows were changed. You now have to vow to abide by the rules of the society. So if you don't and they consider you could cause divisions, you will be booted out. For those who got baptised years ago it is not so easy for the elders to disfellowship for someone just not agreeing with everything that is said from the platform.