I too was baptised in the 1960s and at that time there was no mention of working with the organisation. The questions were purely about God and Christ, and how you feel about them. The questions were changed in the 1980s to get an agreement from the JW that they would work along with the org. Therefor those who were baptised before those new questions are under no obligation whatsoever to work along with the org, because they never agreed to that.
Posts by alanv
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13Baptismal Q`S asked in the year 1960 ,anyone ? Contrasted to what Q`s they ask now
by smiddy3 ini`m just curious as to what /who i dedicated/baptized my life to in 1960 compared to who or what j.w.`s are being baptized/dedicating their life into this present day ?.
and what scenarios this could lead into ?
would my baptism still be valid ?
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In need of your advice. November broadcasting 2017
by pleaseresearch inso my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.
i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..
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alanv
Also its no good going back too far, as JWs just say that things have progressed now
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Could the Watchtower lose tax exemption in US?
by Outahere inlooks like trump wants to take out the scientologists.. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-scientology-tax-exemption_us_5a04dd35e4b05673aa584cab?vpo .
as a cult, could the watchtower be close behind?.
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alanv
There are just over 1 million JWs in the USA. Many of those do practically nothing each month, as can be seen by average hours spent loitering on street corners etc.
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November 2017 JW broadcasting HYPOCRISY!
by stuckinarut2 inok...so i am on a bit of a temper tantrum rant here...but if anyone has (endured) watched this month's broadcast, you will know what i mean!.
i have only watched 20 mins so far, and the hypocrisy is mind blowing.
they dare to go on about how thoroughly they research the material produced, so that errors are prevented etc.. for instance, the actually say how they ensure that a scientist is not misquoted, or that an "evolutionist" is not inaccurately quoted to make it seem like his comments are different to his intentions.
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alanv
Watchtower have no shame at all. They will say anything that makes their org look good. Its only when witnesses get the courage to do independent checking that they will find they have been totally misled.
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In theory, can one be disfellowshipped for attempted suicide?
by Saename inso i was recently reading the reasons for disfellowshipping as listed in shepherd the flock of god.
the handbook is available online here: https://thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf.. on page 59, point #4, it lists attempted suicide as a reason for disfellowshipping.
has it ever been removed?
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alanv
Attempted suicide is really attempted murder, i e taking a life. It doesnt matter to the org why someone may do that, only if they are truly repentant after the attempt. If they are not, then yes they could be disfellowshipped.
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If Elders and Ministerial Servants did what Michael Fallon has done, few would remain
by Isambard Crater inover the years i have seen plenty of elders and ministerial servants touch other j.w's knees, thighs, give very long and intimate hugs, blah, blah, blah.
i know of other sisters who have felt really uncomfortable with such behaviour, but the brothers have just explained that they're being loving as caring christian friends, so they get away with it.
it angers me that no j.w's will speak out about historic or ongoing inappropriate touching for fear of being disfellowshipped or losing the hope of paradise..
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alanv
I regard what has happened to Michael Fallen as totally ridiculous. Are we really saying that anyone in a responsible job, must be totally squeaky clean. and never done anything slightly inappropriate, even decades ago.
All of us have done things in the past, that we are not proud of, but providing it is in the past, then it should be forgiven, as the bible commands. Of course this does not include serious sin, but touching someone on the knee, is not a serious sin. The journalist concerns also thinks it is crazy that he has had to resign over this incident.
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Stagnation of JWs in Britain
by darkspilver inthis is an 'off-topic' continuation of this discussion.
steve2: in britain, growth of publishers is slowing down, if not stagnating.
darkspilver: .
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alanv
I actually listed the European countries last year, and the figures showed that overall there was no increase at all In Europe as a whole. I'm hoping this trend will spread to other continents this year.
Am I right in thinking the report will first appear on jwdotorg under the 'about us' heading?
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2017 Memorial Partakers
by NashvilleTele inwhen does the number of memorial partakers get released for 2017. i was wondering if the number will surpass 20k.
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alanv
Of course the society know which countries are showing the most increase in partakers, and Im sure the branches will be told to home in on those in their countries that partake.
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"The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"
by Sour Grapes inmy jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.
she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.
" i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.
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alanv
To think too, that we as ex JWs used to say that as well after any human tragedy. We would choose a nice juicy story of something that happened in one small place, and then say the whole wold is like that.
Yet when it comes to Armaggeddon witnesses are perfectly ok with that mass killing.
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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alanv
For those of us who were part of the religion 20 or so years ago, we were taught how to answer questions on all sorts of JW subjects. Now days they seem completely incapable of doing that as individuals. Instead they are told to direct people to their website, where Watchtower has given answers that mislead, misquote and often downright lie about doctrines.