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  2009 service report grand totals only

  by alanv in

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  branches 118. .

  lands reporting 236. .

  total congregations 105298. .

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  alanv

  I thought it was interesting that although the auxillary figures were down 5.7% the regular pioneer figures were up 8.4%. So there was a clear shift from Auxillary to Regular pioneers even showing an increase. This may have something to do with people working less because of the recession. It will be interesting to see which countries particularly showed this shift.

  WuzLovesDubs You are right abou Zero effectiveness although in truth the figures are not quite as bad because pioneers do a lot more hours than publishers. But still pretty awful.
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  2009 service report grand totals only

  by alanv in

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  branches 118. .

  lands reporting 236. .

  total congregations 105298. .

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  alanv

  Branches 118

  Lands Reporting 236

  Total Congregations 105298

  Worldwide Memoraial attendance 18,168,323

  Memorial partakers worldwide 10857

  Peak Publishers 7,313,173

  Average preaching each month 7,046,419

  Percentage of increase over 2008 3.2%

  Total number baptised 276,233

  Average auxilary publishers each month 304,551

  Average pioneer publishers each month 794,317

  Total hours spent in field 1,557,788,344

  Average home bible studies each month 7,619,270

  Figures above are based on the Japanese figures given in another thread.
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  Tell me does this make Any sense?

  by whathehadas in

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  while satan and his demons fiddled around in heaven and earth.

  jehovah and jesus waited for over 2,000 years before kickin them out.

  while a jdubb who is declared a apostate by the governing body and elders is kicked out asap!

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  alanv

  Let's face it. One man makes a mistake and Billions of people suffer for for it. Some in the worst kind of suffering possable. Would any human father simply stand by and let it happen even though it would be easy for him to help. And the reason he does nothing is to make a point that there would be some of his family that care enough for him to not blame him for all this. It's pathetic.
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  GB and Doctrine review/change

  by african GB Member in

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  some jw doctrines which were implemented years ago were clearly never thought out wisely,.

  i wonder if the gb would ever consider reviewing for example, the blood doctrine which causes so many unneccesary deaths amongst jws.. and then again they would be careful not to just change it as this could possibly be met with an uproar from those who lost loved ones due to this doctrine..

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  alanv

  That is now the case in many of their doctrines. With blood, minor fractions are now allowed, vaccinations are o k and transplants are now a conscience matter.

  Years ago they changed alternative service from a big no no to it could be alright now it's up to your conscience. Even voting I believe is fine now in many situations.

  The generation doctrine has been changed gradually over the years and has been a great embarrasment to them.

  Loads of dates have changed. As soon as one date was proved to be wrong they have changed it to something else.

  Any normal org. would be very embarrased by all these changes but most times the WT gets away with it claiming it is new light from Jehovah. The rank and file are so indoctrinated that this is God's org. that they accept it unreservedly.
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  Has/did TBTS abandoned Russell AND Rutherford?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  2. scandals

  playing with myspace today and came across this, saying that the wt has abandoned both of them.

  is it not more a case of they pick and choose the bits of their now archaic writings that support current thinking?

  i dont know that one could say they have been rejected though.... what thinks you?.

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  alanv

  The society will always say that since the Russell and Rutherford days they have received new light. They say that it would have been impossible to have everything explained and understood immediately. Therefor things have been revealed gradually.

  They then quote the scripture that says Jesus had more things to tell his followers but they were not ready at that time. (something like that)

  There is no excuse though for teaching one thing then getting rid of it and then reinstating it again, which they have done with many things.
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  The "move away" Fade

  by jacquicortez in

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  looking back there were quite a few families that did the "oh we're moving" fade.

  they would move to a rural area.

  or a state or two away.

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  alanv

  Surely moving away from a congregation is a bit over the top. After all you have nothing to be ashamed of. If you were baptised years ago before they changed the vows they can't didfellowship you for just disagreeing with their doctrines. Only if they catch you causing divisions in the cong, then they may go after you.
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  I have a question that I need your help with.

  by Pallbearer in

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  hi folks,.

  i have a real serious question that i hope you will be able to help me with.. in the 4-1-1986 watchtower, pages 30-31 it talks about "approved association".

  what i'm seeking your opinion about is this: if a baptized jw is deemed to not be an 'approved associate' at some point (due to his having developed a divergent view regarding one or more of the watchtower's unique teachings) does his 'not being an approved associate' mean that the watchtower society no longer considers him to be a jw?

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  alanv

  Some years ago the baptismal vows were changed. You now have to vow to abide by the rules of the society. So if you don't and they consider you could cause divisions, you will be booted out. For those who got baptised years ago it is not so easy for the elders to disfellowship for someone just not agreeing with everything that is said from the platform.
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  Memorial invitation 2010

  by dozy in

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  apologies if already posted , but there is to be another invitation campaign next year - running between 13th - 30th march.

  it is mentioned in the february 2010 km.. .

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  alanv

  Dozy, Is there a copy of the 2009 service report in the Feb KM and if not do you know when we can get sight of it. Thanks.
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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

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  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  alanv

  Interestingly former governing body member Ray Franz researched it when he was working on the Aid book inthe late 70s. His conclusion was that you can't successfully prove it was 607, so the society simply tried to show how secular dates for 586/7 may be wrong.
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  March 15, 2010 Watchtower -- "One Flock, One Shepherd"

  by sd-7 in

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  march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.

  16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.

  "paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.

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  alanv

  Cantleave. Is that right or just a joke that the Yearbook will be out in February. Also is not the 2009 service report coming out in an incert in Kingdom Ministry. Surely both should be out by now!