Posts by alanv

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Does anyone know how "new light" comes to fruition?

by mamalove in

i am curious if anyone knows the process by which new light, or revisions in beliefs actually are agreed on for presentation to the followers?.

does one member of the gb bring up something and they all talk about it and decide?

or do they get a bunch of questions in the mail and decide to re-evaluate something based on the fan mail?

alanv

Ray Franz also spoke about how for something to change there had to be a two thirds majority.

So if there were 12 members of the gov. body at any one time and say seven voted for a change (or you could say new light on something), then because they did not have a two thirds majority ie eight members, then the change would not go through.

Over the years this seemed to have happened quite a lot. The majority may have wanted change but because of the two thirds majority rule many new ideas never got through.

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An interesting talk with my father

by Soldier77 in

a little background before my recap of my conversation.

my father left my mom and i when i was young, like before i was 5. so i didn't know him other than a couple images i had of him in my head.

i don't have any bad feelings towards him, even though he cheated on my mom and took 20 years to pay back child-support.

alanv

Hi soldier I was pleased to see that you put the blame on the governing body.

JWs love to say how we hate jws but that is not true.

The blame for how the society acts quite rightly rests at the door of the governing body. Most JWs are victims as we once were.

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"Are you In the Truth?"

by Nickolas in

i can't remember the last time i was asked that question because it has been many years.

nor do i remember my response to the questioner but it no doubt contributed to not being asked the question since.

are you in the truth?

alanv

If any witness speaks to me about 'the truth' I always say 'you mean the untruth' which can lead into a good conversation into the masses of things they have got wrong over the years

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Anyone want to swap my new copy In search of Christian freedom for Crisis of Conscience?

by Witness 007 in

accidently ordered 2 copies of ray franz new book "in search of christian freedom" instead of a "crisis of conscience.

" i need a copy of crisis of conscience.

even if it's been used if anyone wants to swap i can send my book?????

alanv

Can't you send it back and get the other book you want. Most stores would do that.

Incidently you may enjoy downloading the books so you can read them on the computer or maybe on the new kindle reading device.

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How Many Humanists in your country?

by lifelong humanist in

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many on this forum already know that i'm a member of the humanist society scotland.. at our annual conference last month, i was happy to collect a bumper sticker that had been produced for a special capaign earlier this year to raise awareness of humanism issues within scotland.

our population is very small - just over 5 million people, so the simple message was bound to create quite a stir:.

two million scots are good without god.

alanv

I am from England and I and my parents are humanists.

My father died in 2005 and we had a humanist funeral. It was excellent. Unlike witness funerals there was no aim to convert everybody or to tell everyone this is what God wants us to do.

The funeral was focused on my father, what he did with his life, how he helped others etc.

It was the most respectful funeral I have ever been to. There was serious moments and funny moments recalled. Also you can choose to play maybe some special piece of music that was enjoyed by the deseased.

I also believe that any humanist will get on well in life, being particularly practical people and not thinking that they will have a better time in the afterlife.

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Six screens of the WT

by drewcoul in

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has anyone had trouble getting on to the six screens website?.

i try to check on the conference calls occasionally, but i can't today.. thanks.

drew.

alanv

Hi drew, yes I can't get to the website either. I hope Rick is ok. I sent him a Facebook message a few days ago reminding him that he has not posted the last 3 conference calls which I always enjoy listening to.

Does anyone else know if all is well?

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Anyone got the December KM yet for UK

by alanv in

as it is the end of the jw service year, it would be nice to see how they finished up in august 2010 as regards total publishers.. quite often there seems to be a big push to get as many as possable to put in a service report to finish the year off.. so a scan would be good or just a report on how many publishers they ended up with.

thanks.

alanv

Hi factfinder. Yes it was posted. Here is the link

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/200072/1/OKM_November_2010_for_Britain_OCRd-pdf

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Anyone got the December KM yet for UK

by alanv in

as it is the end of the jw service year, it would be nice to see how they finished up in august 2010 as regards total publishers.. quite often there seems to be a big push to get as many as possable to put in a service report to finish the year off.. so a scan would be good or just a report on how many publishers they ended up with.

thanks.

alanv

Thanks ever so much fokyc. My jw son is always going on about the great increase in the org, and these end of year figures for UK show that certainly in UK there is no great increase.

They did have a new peak in publishers of 134,339, but the years average publishers was a rather pathetic 1% increase, barely keeping up with the population growth in Britain

Pioneers were up 2% 0n last year, possably caused by the recession with more JWs out of work, they may well have spent more time door knocking.

Interesting figure for baptisms was the average of 2611 which is a 12% DROP on last year. The memorial figure showed a drop as well of 637 less in attendance.

If the rest of Europe pans out the same as UK, that will be at least be one continent where the org is slowly dying.

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Anyone got the December KM yet for UK

by alanv in

as it is the end of the jw service year, it would be nice to see how they finished up in august 2010 as regards total publishers.. quite often there seems to be a big push to get as many as possable to put in a service report to finish the year off.. so a scan would be good or just a report on how many publishers they ended up with.

thanks.

alanv

As it is the end of the JW service year, it would be nice to see how they finished up in August 2010 as regards total publishers.

Quite often there seems to be a big push to get as many as possable to put in a service report to finish the year off.

So a scan would be good or just a report on how many publishers they ended up with. Thanks

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This is scary we are to put the GB in the same place as Jesus according to the Dec 15 WT

by life is to short in

i do not know how to scan the wt if someone can it would be great but i wrote it out verbatim .

i think what the wt says speaks for its self.

am i missing something and or reading something into what they are saying.

alanv

If you thought that magazine was good, check this out from the September 15th 2010 Watchtower page 23

The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.