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  Within 2 years I see... KH Karaoke...Seriously

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  2. beliefs

  this evening at the clam the job video was played and then the stupid peer pressure video.

  this was not so odd.

  however on the last elijah section pictures from the imitate their faith book was place on screen to imagine the scenes.

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  alanv

  Most things are possible now in the JW religion. Every day the org gets more and more mainstream. It knows it has to do something drastic to get new members and to keep them. There are so many things that are happening now in the religion, which were truly unthinkable just a few years ago.

  However as the internet continues to gain pace around the world they will have more and more trouble with member retention. Already in Europe membership has all but come to a stop. They cant even keep their own kids in the religion, much less attract outsiders.
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  Geoffrey Jackson quote

  by Labate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many posters quote geoffrey jackson as saying " it would be presumptuous" to say that the gb is jehovah's sole spokesperson on earth.. what he actually said was that "it would seem to be quite presumptuous".

  this is actually very clever, as adding "seem" to the sentence leaves the possibility that it isn't presumptuous to call themselves "jehovah's sole channel".

  (at least in their eyes).

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  alanv

  He was asked the question Do you see yourself as God's spokespeople on earth today? If he answered honestly he would have said 'yes absolutely' He chose not to say that. By not saying that he was certainly being less than honest.
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  Advice needed

  by Peony in

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  2. friends

  can someone tell me the scriptural basis (according to jw's) for shunning disassociated ones.

  only asking because i don't remember (probably wasn't that interested) i'm sure the shunning in the scriptures was just applied to disfellowshipped.

  i've only been out 3 years but i seem to have forgotten any scriptures or reasoning!

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  alanv

  Xanthippe & Peony

  That scripture is talking about those that deny Jesus came in the flesh or do not keep to his teachings.

  JWs who disassociate themselves normally do so for the reason that they no longer go along with Watchtower's false teachings. Most still have a strong faith in Jesus and his teachings. At baptism these days you have to agree to work along with the org, and if you no longer wish to do that, they will say you have disassociated yourself. However there is nothing in the scriptures that says if you reject any false teachings you should be shunned, and certainly nothing in the bible that says you have to go along with anyone teaching something that is not scriptural.
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  Has anyone else collected their money back from local Kingdom Halls for money loaned for construction?

  by StoneWall in

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  2. friends

  just a reminder if you haven't, to get it back before they sell any more halls.even if you're currently da/df you can still collect any monies owed you by the kingdom hall as far as loans go.we were able to get back $1000 that my mom had loaned the local hall for a loan to build new one.it was documented by the paper that had been given each publisher back then on how much they could/would be willing to give as an outright donation or a loan.

  the loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it.

  (not a specific date)i can't help but feel that a lot of the old timers that loaned monies to the society and/or k-halls have been forgot about by them or their families.

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  Really good thread this. There must be many ex JWs who lent money in the past and for whatever reason never claimed the money back. Now is certainly the time to get it back.
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  DF'ed arrival/departure times at meetings

  by dubstepped in

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  2. friends

  i didn't want to derail another thread, but something said made me wonder.

  i know that i noticed df'ed people come in right when the meeting started and leave right when it left most of the time.

  is that some sort of actual rule?

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  alanv

  There is certainly nothing written that says they must come as late as possible, and leave immediately. But the elders are well aware if the dis. person hangs around, it makes it very difficult for JWs to totally ignore the person.
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  2016-1-12-BOE--Mentioning Donation Arrangement to Householder!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  2016-1-12-boe.

  "apply yourself to the field ministry," the "initial call" assignmentdirects the student to mention the donation arrangement..http://postimg.org/image/tayz8pawn/..atlantis!

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  alanv

  So looks like the rules for donating are different, depending on what part of the world you live in.
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  Donation reminders in the magazine

  by wisdomfrombelow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just noticed that in recent study editons of the watchtower they mention on the inside cover that the magazines are free of charge but if you want to make a donation you can at their website.

  i noticed it from the march 2016 edition.

  i wonder if will be in the clam meeting workbooks as well...

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  So is it now excepted by JWs that they should pay for any literature that is placed by them?
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  Exactly where is the expansion?

  by NeverKnew in

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  2. friends

  there is a thread that i'm really enjoying discussing the consolidation of congregations into existing kingdom halls.

  i'm realizing that the only threads that have spoken of building were related to branch offices.

  we know the wts's consolidations and reopening a are a shell game of sorts but i'm wondering... is anyone seeing an increase in kingdom halls in their part of the world?

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  Its strange. In UK there was no publisher increase, yet they had a 2.25% increase in new congregations. Can anyone explain it?
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  Good news to report: Congregations merged because lack of attendance, publishers & field service

  by Khaleesi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so it's official, i am happy to report that we merged with another congregation having the same problem.

  why is it good news???

  because people are either waking up, fading or just not buying into this organization any longer or walking away.... i think many young ones are just not buying into it as much, i see many in the congregation i go to very depressed and some i know personally going thru major depression especially the young "sisters" in their early 20s.... .

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  alanv

  Certainly good to hear about congs merging in this way, but if we look at the worldwide report congs had a 2.25% increase compared with 1.5% publisher increase. Probably its a matter of the developed world shrinking whereas the developing lands are still expanding.
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  Had the C.O visit this week...went out on service and Wow

  by MrsR-Awaken in

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  2. experiences

  this is my first post here (not being comments) but i still have to tell my story but for that i need to get my mind together in other to give as much detail as possible to be able to share it.

  will do in a future post.. anyway i had to share this.. so i went out on service this morning (i never do i always end up excusing myself because i hate field service) reason i did was to see what the new c.o had to say and he sure did say something.

  he was saying what we had to present and he went over the watchtower magazine.

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  alanv

  I know for myself, the friendlier someone is who comes to my door, the more suspicious I am about their motive for coming to my door.

  People understand that most people are after something whenever they call on you.