each unit purchased would also be carried over to the class action law suit.
i do not want my other two daughters to die because of this religion.
calgary place, rpo
Just curious.....
If you donated $100 or more prior to this appeal, does that mean you are automatically included? Or is it only those who donate $100 or more from this point on?
Does it matter what geographical location you are in? Any one can participate?
This is a very interesting idea.
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don't forget that we need an elder and a few ministerial servants, and a couple of sisters
As someone from the outside, looking in (since I've never been a JW), these are posters I would like to meet based on the wealth of information I have learned from them in my short time here. In no particular order, and I am sure there are more that I am neglecting (sorry) to mention:
1. Blondie
2.Honesty
3.Almost Athiest
4.Jgnat
5.Scully
6.Auld Soul
7.Dogpatch
8. Danny Haszard
9.JH
10. Minimus
a fellow poster privately asked me this question.
it's a great question and i thought it was worthy of a public response, so here it is.q..my best friend has been studying with [the jw's] for 9 yrs.
not baptised yet, but heading that direction.
Hello!
I'm the one who asked the original question. My friend HAS been studying with the same lady, but she did say it was off and on for awhile. The past year or two, she has been attending more meetings, etc...
We had a very interesting conversation about the blood doctrine, and I am sure she was not convinced by her own answers, because she was calling her JW guru's husband and asking him how she should respond. I made some very valid points with their own publication on blood and also read over Acts 15 in context with her, asking her to please show me where it says anything about losing your salvation based on how you respond to the blood doctrine. She could not. Then I just left it alone. The seeds are planted.
I think Blondie hit the nail right on the head. She likes the attention. I don't think she has committed herself all the way, because she is reluctant to give up so much of her time. She has hobbies that require weekend travel. Something she will not be able to do, if she goes in full service. None of her family are JWs. That is a plus. However, she has been dragging her child along to all the meetings. Her husband is working nights, so he doesn't notice all the time she is gone. When he starts working days again, I have a feeling the poop will hit the fan and he will want her to stop being gone so much. It may be her way out.
My husband tends to agree with you, that she is not totally convinced by "something". When I asked if she would seriously let her child die rather than allow a blood transfusion, she gave me several different scenarios: a.) she would sacrifice her own resurrection in order to give him the transfusion.
b.) she has an "out", because her husband would never allow that to happen.
c.) in a few more years it will be up to her son, and he will be able to make his own choice in the matter.
Yet, she stated that she would not accept one for herself, no matter what. Since she was so wishy-washy on how she would handle a blood transfusion with her son, I figured it might be a good place to ask questions. She tried to drag me into other areas, but I managed to keep her on topic. She knew her answers were flimsy, but I didn't get sarcastic or try to "teach" her anything. I just kept asking questions, then when I felt her getting defensive, I just shrugged it off and let it go. I thought she might not talk to me for awhile, but she has been closer to me since then, actually! That topic has never came up again. I know it made her think, though. She was giving me all the answers straight out of the "resoning away the scriptures" book. The question I asked were not in there! She was really scrambling. She had no idea that they allowed certain blood fractions. Having worked in the medical field, she knew how blood is separated into those fractions. I'm sure it is in the back of her mind.
This is a subject that she brought up....she was talking about "some other religion" that says oral sex is forbidden. She went on to tell me that she searched the Bible and couldn't find proof of that and that she also talked to her JW study partners and they couldn't find anything about it either. I was really dumb-founded, because the JW couple who studied with us made that a point right off the bat. No oral sex. Don't they all believe the same thing? Or do you think she was fighing to see what I thought?
These posts are great and very helpful! Thanks for passing along so much wonderful knowledge and hope. I know it is not going to be easy, but I have faith that God is leading her out of the WTS. It will happen in His good timing.
bear with me as i lay the ground work for the conversation to follow .
today i had to go for an annual work physical, and the doc is someone that has known my family from when we first were married .
he isn't my personal physician, but worked with my husband for years when my mate was an emt.
It's amazing how God puts us together with the people we need most, right when we need them most! Thanks for sharing that wonderful encounter with us!
i've seen where some former jws compare the wts to certain movies or books (such as the village and 1984).
i just wondered what movies or books reminded you of the wts and why?
did you draw this conclusion before or after you left the organization?
Ticket To Heaven was recommended to me as a good parallel to the WTS, although it appears a little more extreme. I found it on e-bay. If you ever want a hard to find movie, that seems to be a great place to look. You can usually get them pretty cheap too.
My JW friend said that she saw The Village. She never really said much about it, though. She thought it was a good movie.
Did you guys draw these conclusions AFTER or BEFORE leaving the WTS? Hind sight is always 20-20, they say, but I just wondered if anything clicked beforehand?
i've seen where some former jws compare the wts to certain movies or books (such as the village and 1984).
i just wondered what movies or books reminded you of the wts and why?
did you draw this conclusion before or after you left the organization?
I've seen where some former JWs compare the WTS to certain movies or books (such as The Village and 1984). I just wondered what movies or books reminded you of the WTS and why? Did you draw this conclusion before or after you left the organization?
my jw friend recently condemned birthdays using two scriptures that spoke of evil men killing people on their birthdays.
seems to me that the men were evil, not the birthdays.
today is my birthday.
My JW friend recently condemned birthdays using two scriptures that spoke of evil men killing people on their birthdays. Seems to me that the men were evil, not the birthdays. Today is my birthday. (I didn't be-head anyone.) In fact, I have never been to a birthday celebration where this occurred. Didn't ever bow down and pray or worship the birthday boy or girl either. That would be idolatry.
Any how, I just wondered....
I'm not a JW, never have been, but have some JW friends. Amazingly, every single one of them drinks alcohol. I found this fascinating, in view of the fact that many people in the Bible did some pretty bad things, because of drinking.
Noah cursed his son for making fun of him passing out naked, Lot committed incest with his own daughters, Absalom got his brother drunk and killed him, etc......
Yea, I know. Jesus made wine. But does the Bible ever say He promoted intoxication? I only ask this, because it really doesn't make sense. There are far more Scriptures warning about alcohol abuse than there are birthday be-headings. Why hasn't the WTS nipped the drinking in the bud? I was designated driver for my JW friend last night, so she could have a few whiskey and Cokes. My other JW friend never misses a marguerita Monday.
I really looked into this subject in the Bible and the only place that condones the use of alcohol says you can use it for medicinal purposes, and you can have a "little". I don't think my JW buddies are drinking for "medicinal" reasons, and they are definitely drinking more than a "little".
Just wondered if you had any thoughts on this subject. Did you find drinking to be an issue in your congregation, or are the JW alcohol consumers primarily in Indiana?
i think some people actually use part of their real name.
i chose mine because i really feel 'in between', in that space where your not a jw anymore but really haven't figured out where you are in life and what path you want to take.
just thought it would be an interesting topic.
Because I am curious to know what the heck my JW friends are talking about and where it originated. It seems so much like many of the Catholics that I know (since I was once one of them). Lots of time spent on things the church leaders have decided you should do, but precious little on actually reading the Bible alone. It just floors me! They spend countless hours reading all these piles of literature, but won't dedicate even a couple of hours a week to strictly reading JUST the Bible alone. In context, without any one else's opinions. My 3rd grader understands the Bible. How is it that people are so easily convinced that it is impossible to understand without someone else putting thier spin on it?
WHYIZIT?????? Seems like I ask that a lot from my JW friends. Wish I could say that I had clear and reasonable answers supplied by them, but alas, that is not the case!
i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
I wondered, since the JWs claim that Jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of Jesus shunning "bad associations"? It seems to me, from reading the Bible, that the religious people of His day really gave Him a hard time, because He actually spent the majority of His time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them. Thomas, though he followed Jesus, wasn't totally convinced. Yet Jesus still loved him and never expelled him from the group for "doubting".
I just wondered if this subject ever comes up with one of my JW friends, and if I ask them to give me Biblical evidence of Jesus shunning someone, what kind of reply can I expect? Did anyone ask you this same question when you were a JW? What did you think?
i just heard that two of the fathers of childhood friends of mine, one of them the first boy i ever loved, and the other the head of a good catholic family with eight kids who lived across the street from us, died within days of each other.
im my mind, those families are frozen in time about 35 years ago when i last saw any of them, and i couldnt conceive of them being gone.. i dont know why but those two men being gone really got to me.
i wasnt close to them or anything but it brought home the very real thought that my own parents are going to go soon...and leave me and my two sibs on the planet to carry on.
Sometimes I get blind-sided by the "orphan complex". My parents have both passed on now. They say you never truly grow up until you have lost both of your parents. I sure didn't intend to "grow up" so fast!
I made a serious financial mistake a week or so ago and I was really beating myself up over it. I woke up in the wee hours of the morning, thinking, if my Mom or Dad were here, they would help me. I could go to them, and everything would be alright. I feel so alone. Then it hit me. In the quiet, a whisper in my mind---"You are NOT alone. You are MY child. I LOVE you. I will get you through this and it WILL be alright. STOP worrying. You DO still have a FATHER. Now trust ME!"
Guess what? I instantly felt better and God did as He promised. He took care of the situation better than I could have imagined. Easy and painless. I spent more time worrying and agonizing than it took to get the whole thing straightened out.
Death is an "unknown", but it's something we all have to face. I think it will be easier for me to face it myself, than to lose the people I love ahead of me. I've done the homework with the Bible alone. No "publications or books" to add to it. I trust what God says and I really am not afraid of death any more. I still deal with the pain of losing my loved ones, but that is just part of the package. I just hope that they are all believers in the gospel by the time their number is called.
