Posts by Shazard

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Jephtah's daughter - human sacrifice or not?

by DannyBloem in

can somebody bring some light to this question?.

judges chapter 11.. if you read vers 31 it looks clear that jephtha is speaking about human sacrefice.

"he speaks about a burn offering for jehovah of the first thing or person that walks out of his house.

Shazard

Ouh you people want explanation.
Well were do you find that God required this sacrifice of daughter?
Scripture teaches that when you do promisses to God you have to fullfill... And he does. Bible does not gives us judgement of his deed. But here comes tricky part... Imagine WHAT it took from father to realize that he have to give his daughter coz he promised itself! Would YOU give your daughter WOULD you change your mind after you made promise to God. I guess no... coz you don't take such promises seriously. But the father did... and he fulfilled his promise even it was HIS daughter.
Now question... would you like God to change his mind about giving his Son. What God felt when he had to give his Son for sacrifice? Will God fulfill his promise?
Think about it. Does this scripture teaches something bad about God or about men?

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Jephtah's daughter - human sacrifice or not?

by DannyBloem in

can somebody bring some light to this question?.

judges chapter 11.. if you read vers 31 it looks clear that jephtha is speaking about human sacrefice.

"he speaks about a burn offering for jehovah of the first thing or person that walks out of his house.

Shazard

He did!

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Was Adam's "fall" part of God's plan?

by dorayakii in

the watchtower society and many other fundamentalist christian faiths believe that god is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.

in other words he is almighty /all-powerful, all-knowing and all-good.

his omnibenelovence though, clashes with his omnipotence in that if he is powerful enough to change the human condition, and he is willing to do it, why does he permit suffering?...

Shazard

Ookey! I will try answer as I understand this issue!
See God created men plainly out of his will to share love. God is love (do not mix in opposit es "is" is not comutative). Similary for yourself if you feel love you want that everybody else would feel the same and feel god. It is naturally (I guess) for men to wish that everybody around you feels good and love.
So God created men out of love for love and because of love. It is in nature of God to arrange everything around love. BUT there is this catch with love. Love is tightly binded with freedom. There can not be love without freedom to NOT love. If your only choice or way of act possibly is only to love, then it is not love. You can think about this and you will get to similar conclusion, that love without freedom to NOT love is not love. The nature of love itself implies that it is possible to not love. To deny it.
And God knows this for sure. But it is risky to assume that God knowing what he is doing would not predict possible outcome of his own action. So the Tree in the garden was actually there for TEACHING basics about love and freedom to men. God KNEW that man can not obey because God have given freedom to act to man because of God's love to his own creation.
SOOOOOO man was acting pretty well UNTIL something outside God and Man directed mans actions... the snake. Go and read this tactics the snake used... tactics is VERY clever (btw will notice WT tactis)... to ask question a little bit changed. Then give the answer but not telling ALL the truth... only part of it. And starting from weakest point of chain - woman in this case. And wholala... man uses his freedom to NOT obey God's commandment. The rest you know.
So answer is - God KNEW what COULD happen as it was HIS creation, and even there he did this creation and universe in such way that even THEN his plan can be fullfilled only now in "hard way". God would not started creation if he would not be able succesfully to lead it to the end of his plan or to the next stage of his plan. It is human nature to think only plan A... but God will allways have plan B and C and even the plans are part of the same plan A.
For those of you who are programmers it can be very eazy to understand (I am programmer)... when you create your programs you never code in stright line... you have IF THEN, LOOP, WHILE, RETURN etc. And still your program does perfectly what it suppose to do... Mars Rover gets from Earth to Mars, lands, keeps walking and getting info even that the soft is full with IFs.
Also - those of you who played RolePlayingGames (on table)... Game Master allways have plan... and because of rules of the game he allways can lead the players to some specific goal even that players are still free to do whatever they like in bondaries of the rules.
Sorry for so long stuff...
Short conlculsion. God is God of Love and God of Just... And because of Love he created man free... even free to not to be free... Decieved by snake Men binded themself to this state - not to be free - and Jesus have broken this slavery giving the freedom again through Holy Spirit who heals us and restores the previous state of freedom and love. We just need to hold to this with our faith... faith is this "spiritual hand" which takes gifts of God. And the hand itself is gift :)

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Question about baptism

by Shazard in

hey people!

i have read that baptism in jw is something very different than in christianity.

so question... is jw baptism somewhat legally binding.

Shazard

What about actually signing some papers in case if you were baptised in other church previously? What use of this "signing"? Or it is just part of the same mind game?
p.s. Here I wanted to state, that do not worry I am not preparing for JW baptism. Was once allready baptised as infant, and that's enough for me!

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Jesus and the Father

by Thomson in

god spoke to moses on the mountain, yet jesus said john 5:37 also the father who sent me has himself borne witness about me.

you have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his figure.

(nwt) .the only-begotten god who is in the bosom position with the father is the one that has explained him.

Shazard

Well you are right. This is basic stuff what led church fathers to understand trinity! Also John 1:18 just da same statement.

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Why did Jehovah give the job of writing the BIBLE to the Catholics?

by gumby in

this is a thread which was inspired by our own hot little mary.. jehovahs witnesses claim that since pentecost of 33 c.e., there has been a faithful and discreet slave class that was appointed by jesus himself and that this slave class was "entrusted" with all of jesus belongings ( dispensing spiritual food to his followers and the rest of mankind).

oddly, when it came to gods own word to mankind being compiled ( the bible), ......jehovah chose the catholic church to dispense, audit, compile his message!

imagine that!

Shazard

I guess the final version was approved not by Rome!

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John 20:30

by desbah in

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30: and many other signs truly did jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:.

anyone post a thread on this topic yet???.

Shazard

John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

John 17:6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Act 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence. (Psalm 16:8-11)

So conlusion... Everything you NEED to know Jesus revealed! Anything else would be repetition of what's allrady sayed or done I guess!

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Jehovah, The Imposter God

by THE SHOOTIST in

what was jehovah thinking when he put that tree in the middle of the garden and the told adam and eve not to eat of its fruit?

the real all-knowing god would never have done such a thing.

didn't he know that making the tree and the fruit would absolutely ruin this perfect man and woman?

Shazard

Tetrapod.sapiens & SHOOTIS
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I am sorry I read my response and I understand your reaction. Once more sorry!
And no I never been and not planning to be JW as I am thinking person. My experience and findings shows that God is not imposter, just people tend to missunderstand things which are not clearly stated and naturally "fills" the gaps and thats why they get sometimes wrong conclusions. I could try to fill the gaps, and then it's up to you to decide if it sounds reasonable... That's of course if you want to find out other opinions about da topic.
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Once more - please forgive me my offending tone. All my fault!
And no I don't think that world is only black and white. And no I don't know all the TRUTH... I am searching it, and there are things I have found and what I believe and gladly will share to someone who seeks to know things.

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Question about baptism

by Shazard in

hey people!

i have read that baptism in jw is something very different than in christianity.

so question... is jw baptism somewhat legally binding.

Shazard

Hey people! I have read that baptism in JW is something very different than in Christianity. So question... is JW baptism somewhat legally binding. Can it be so? And what use of some papers which you sign that you deny some previous baptism (say as infant)... I don't want explanation of theological part, but other... worldly part of JW baptism.

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Jehovah Condones Rape!!!

by THE SHOOTIST in

when jehovah's goldly sons came down and cohabited with the daughters of men and things got out of hand, who was supposed to be in charge?

it wasn't the daughters of men who saw that the "gods" were fair, making the first move, but the "gods" who saw and took all they wanted.

today that conduct would basically be called rape.

Shazard

Seems like somebody can accept only the God who is Judghe and Policeman. BTW Satan thought so too... just didn't realized what is Love :) You will not even unerstand when I would try to explain. So I wont! You have to get to know what is love, nobody can tell it or describe it!