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  Silliest thing that Witnesses told you was wrong?

  by gilwarrior in

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  there are two things.

  in the early and mid 80s there were witnesses saying that the cartoon characters the smurfs were not acceptable for witnesses.

  i had two smurf cartoon books and my mother made me throw them away.

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  Lilacs: I think you have the Witless and Jerry Falwell mixed up.

  On 10th. February, 1999 the National Liberty Journal in the USA published an article entitled "Parents Alert: Tinky Winky Comes out of the Closet" by the right-wing Christian evangelist Jerry Falwell. He wrote, "The character, whose voice is obviously that of a boy, has been found carrying a red purse, and has become a favourite character among gay groups world wide. Further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple - the gay-pride colour - and his antenna is shaped like a triangle - the gay-pride symbol."

  http://www.sbu.ac.uk/stafflag/tinkywinky.html

  But I think more of JW's nono's have come from orthodox protestantism. For example: I always wonder who figured out what record one should turn backwards to hear them deeminz. Although I owned the forbidden records, I never listened them backwards. I once countered the argument that a particular bible passage contained the message S-A-T-A-N-I-S-G-O-D if you used a equidistantial letter counting system, which 15 years later got major media attention through the Drosnin book. The response? Doh! Later I saw a similar list of 'verboten' music at someone who was reasonably convervatively reformed.

  I also remember the endless lists of products one shouldn't eat since they allegedly contained blood, or were manufactured with blood components. These got really high circulation and you were almost shunned if you dared to eat something on that list.

  Then there's my mom, who never had me vaccinated, and to this day doesn't want to eat or drink anything cooked in an aluminium pan or kettle, such as the typical south-European espresso-boilers.

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  Every absurdity has a champion to defend it.
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  If ADAM Hadn't 'Ave Sinned?

  by Celtic in

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  just supposing that adam in the garden of eden hadn't shared and participated in the eating of the forbidden fruit, what would have happened?

  would adam be without a partner to this day?

  and if god knows the end from the beginning, being the alpha and the omega an all that, did he know that 'sin' was going to take place?

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  We'd all be running around nude...
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  Would It Be Feasible to Buy A Microlight Aircraft?

  by Celtic in

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  for lets say around 7,000 and then use the same for banner advertising from the air as a promotional tool for companies?

  how quickly would the microlight pay for itself and bring in a nice little earner?

  anyone else interested in madcap money making ideas?.

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  You could consider dropping pamphlets. Ehm lets see, start with:

  KNOW YOUR BIBLE

  and make sure that

  FREE - NO COLLECTION

  is also on there. That has a staggering track record of attracting people...
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  To Larc: ON ECONOMIC STUFF

  by You Know in

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  your essay is full of generalities, half truths and down right misinformation.

  you craft words to minimize advancement and preach doom and gloom.

  also, your hero, larouch is long on problems and short on solutions.

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  Larc: have you been able to turn up ONE SINGLE ACADEMIC reference to what is supposed 'Larouche-Riemann' forecasting? Any other peer reviews would be appreciated as well.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  You have so far produced zero---zip.

  You are completely right. I have made a complete ass out of myself.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Why the obvious strawman YK? Comment on the words of his wife in their own newspaper of which Lyndon is the responsible editor. Please explain what scheinheiliger Holocaust-schwindel means in your book.

  Why this man would hire a convicted Klan-leader is of course sheer circumstancial info. Since it is documented in a court case it means you can't dismiss it as lies. However, you can downgrade it's importance and that's what your're doing very aptly. I don't mind, anyone still following this discussion is able to value this information for what it's worth.

  The documented relation with a Nazi-magazine published by someone with bloodlinks to the SS (and not just 'some' SS, better look his daddy up) is also total circumstancial. Via this magazine and its editor all the persons and institutions mentioned before come in the picture: Carto, Zundel, McCalden, IHR, and Liberty Lobby. Not to mention David Irving, the Spotlight-magazine, Farrakhan and the NOI.

  You however said that this man a) never said or supported anything related to holocaust-denial; b) has no relations at all which any of the exremist groups, and dismissed it repeatedly as 'blantant' [sic] lies. I showed you three documented instances that prove that either you are willfully blind or a willfull liar.

  The latter has been voiced here more than once, albeit not by me. Is there really a pattern of lies YK? Or do you rationalize it all away by the good old 'theocratic warfare' hobbyhorse? Or maybe am I not entitled to the truth?
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Let's see how much smoke there is and let you decide about the fire. You'd better brush up your German though.

  "Während in den USA niemand auch nur die geringsten Illusionen über die Macht der zionistischen Lobby über vor allem die gegenwärtige Administration hegt, ist der Einfluß einer verdeckter operierenden zionistischen Lobby in der Bundesrepublik bisher nur wenigen eingeweihten politischen Persönlichkeiten bekannt, nicht aber der bretien Bevölkerung. Und deshalb müssen wir den scheinheiligen Holocaust-Schwindel zum Anlaß nehmen, um diese ausländischen Agenten auffliegen zu lassen."

  Helga Zepp-Larouche in der "Neuen Solidaritaet" 25.1.79.

  scheinheiligen Holocaust-Schwindel = hypocritic Holocaust-fraud

  The magazine CODE - Conföderation organisch denkender Europäer published by Ekkehard Franke-Griksch, son of an SS-Standartenführer Alfred Franke-Gricksch, through Diagnosen-Verlag, Leonberg, functioned as mouthpiece for Helga Zepp-Larouches "Bürgerrechtsbewegung Solidarität" (see: Handbuch deutscher Rechtsextremismus, by Jens Mecklenburg, page 224). CODE is a direct supporter of Zundel, Irving, Carto, IHR, Spotlight etc. (as documented by Deborah E. Lipstadt).

  From the following court sentence it becomes apparant that a certain Roy Frankhauser was employed by Lyndon Larouche during his presidential campaign of 1984:

  Frankhauser, who worked as a security consultant to the 1984 Lyndon LaRouche presidential campaign and related organizations, learned that a grand jury was investigating the organizations and several of their members for defrauding credit card holders by making unauthorized charges to their accounts, and that subpoenas had been served on depository banks for processed credit card slips.

  . http://www.law.emory.edu/1circuit/apr96/95-1560.01a.html

  Who is Roy Frankhauser? A 'two-time felon lately of the United Klans of America. Among Frankhauser's convictions was one involving explosives in connection with a school bus bombing in Pontiac, Mich.' Frankhause became active for LaRouche in 1975, according to Nazis, Communists, Klansmen and Others on the Fringe, by John George and Laird Wilcox, p. 285-290. It is an interesting clue that last year the 'White Aryan Resistance' issued a warning to its audience about Frankhauser. http://www.resist.com/updates/5.28.00aryanupdate.htm

  For now, I couldn't find "the Holocaust never happened" quotable directly from LaRouche himself. His wife did, and sources state that she in fact only has a representative function in the Larouche org, especially in Germany since she is native German. The above is ample indication for me that the allegations about racism, holocaust denial and being involved with the Klan have their foundation.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  It seems that you, though, would rather just pretend to be a thinker, but instead seem only interested in poisioning others minds to new ideas rather than actually honestly consider what LaRouche puts forth about the system being on the verge of collapse. That's not using your brain. That's just stupidity.

  You can call me stupid as much as you want. You can call LaRouche's views on economy 'new ideas'. But in all the years that you've been consuming the intellectual secrete of mr. Larouche, you apparently never stumbled on a couple of names such as Willis Carto, Ernst Zundel, David McCalden (alias Lewis Brandon), or organisations such as the IHR, the KKK and the Liberty Lobby. Well it took me less than a day to get these topside in relation to L. Not trustworthy? Yeah sure...

  Well as it so happens these names *DO* raise a couple of red flags for me. All these are intimately related to the field of Holocaust-denial, white-supremacists, or just plain racism, some in its own specialized anti-Semitic form. Read Michael Shermer's "Why do people believe weird things" for an interesting treatise on Holocaust-denial an historical revisionism.

  Anyone related to that bunch is SUSPECT in my book. There's an old saying about smoke and fire which I adhere to. Does that disqualify me as a thinker? Perhaps, but I like to think of it as being pragmatic. Of course I should discern that someones ethnic sympathies not necesarily interfere with his economic views. Just as I shouldn't trust second-hand car salesmen in selling me a car (for that matter, I don't even trust new car salesmen), I'd be totally sane to let him invest my private savings into this stock trading business he does on the side. [8>]

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  I pretend to think, therefore I pretend to exist.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Besides, they give media time to all sorts of goofballs and degenerates. Look at the Govenor of Minnesota, Ventura. He was a smack down wrestler for crying out loud. Yet they had no problem sticking a microphone in front of him. LOL In fact the more degenerate someone is the more the media makes him a celebrity.

  Sigh... now what does the above statement tell us about YK? It proves that he is indeed intellectually shitlazy.

  Had he used a simple searchengine query he would have found out that Jesse Ventura's (actually James Janos) career not only consisted of 'smack down' wrestling. In fact he would have found out that the man was a Navy SEAL for six years, a Vietnam veteran, that he attended college, and that he was mayor of the 6th city in Minnesota for several years before becoming governor. Compare that with YK's selfprojection about Jesse Ventura --- a 'degenerated' wrestler --- used as a sneering defense for a nutters' lack of media attention.

  . http://www.mainserver.state.mn.us/governor/bio___media_kit.html

  Do I pretend that mr. Ventura is an intellectual genius? No. But him being totally discredited by YKs sewer tactics is too much. Besides I loved to see 'the Body' slam down Hulk Hogan...
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  The fact that you haven't heard of Lyndon LaRouche is a story in itself. It is not necessarily a reflection of your ignorance as much as it indicates how absolutely brainwashed the average American is by the media.

  Umm, did it occur to you that I might not be an American? I'm just an average brainwashed European.

  You heard about this LaRouche guy that I referred to and you immediately entered his name into a search engine to dig up the dirt on him. Ahh, you knew you'd find something. Little do you realize that the very establishmentarians that discourage his media coverage at the same time commission their lackeyes to slander and discredit him. So you paste a collection of quotes taken randomly over the years from who knows where and this is supposed to tell the story of LaRouche.

  Well let's have a look at what I really did: I went to the man's own website, found his most recent testimonial, and quoted the very first paragraph. What I quoted in full were his own words and no more. If you looked at any of the links provided you will see all the sources they were taken from. Quite a contrast to 'who knows where' and 'supposed'.

  I specifically omitted quoting negative opinions and only provided links to a number of sources I considered more or less reputable, amongst which the Washington Post was mentioned first. A number of interesting references to L., his spouse, the Schiller institute etc. have been left out since they are in German. Although I can read it it didn't really seem useful for the mostly English audience here.

  But I slowly start to understand your real agenda here. Like your masters in Brooklyn you want to impress your audience with supposedly big names and the rank-and-file member is certainly not supposed to do any research of her own on the 'prepared food' using outside material. Just swallow and digest! Don't even try to use that brain of yours. It's there just to fill up the empty space that would be in your skull otherwise.

  Interesting is this analogy: WT-writ had for years enjoyed and benefited from the fact that dubs are intellectually shitlazy and after years of careful mindcontrol they actually take anything for granted without being skeptical or inquisitive. Since the power of printing press has been rivaled by newer media such as the net and the instruments provided with it, the WT is losing grip by the day. Likewise they don't want their members to make pages about their way of life, about their total beliefsystem, their publications, their actions, and certainly not to use searchengines to dig up dirt.

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  If you dig in a heap of dirt what do you find?