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  YoYo: proof?

  by cynicus in

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  yoyo says:.

  i wanted to prove to myself that what the watchtower says about apostates is true.. now what a refreshing idea!

  am i correct in assuming that you did this also for other topics the watchtower has opinions on?.

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  cynicus

  YoYo says:

  I wanted to prove to myself that what the Watchtower says about apostates is true.

  Now what a refreshing idea! Am I correct in assuming that you did this also for other topics the Watchtower has opinions on?

  In the same thread you mentioned that the date of 607 BCE. is 'an easy one'. Would you mind sharing how you 'proved to yourself that what the Watchtower says about [607 BCE] is true' and what specific proof convinced you that the WT's opinion is indeed correct?

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  Who of you in this forum have been df'ed?

  by YoYoMama in

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  if it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?

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  cynicus

  If it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?

  What kind of JW are you? Don't you even know there's only ONE SINGLE REASON in JW doctrine that allows someone to be disfellowshipped? So say after me: a JW can only be disfellowshipped for being NOT REPENTANT. I've you've been taught otherwise better demand a refund. You've been lied to.

  There is no sin that by itself provokes disfellowshipping of any kind. It is the NON REPENTANCY of what the GB defines as sin, and the JUDGMENT OF A JUDICIAL COMMITTEE of this repentance being genuine that possibly gets your ass kicked out. Obviously the latter clause is the catch.

  So there's two possible answers to your question:

  1) I was not repentant.
  2) I was repentant but the judicial committee didn't buy it.

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  DF'd for not believing WT or Bible?!!

  by ISP in

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  follows hot on the heels of jokoyama's...(joke)latest offering.. does the wts place the wt above the bible?

  although the bible is accepted as inspired...you get df'd for not following the wt not the bible necessarily.. gods word has been the same on the following issues.... 1. neutrality.

  2. transplants.

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  cynicus

  Umm, the WTBS and its publications come before the bible to be exact.
  Verbatim quotes from the Douglash Walsh trial, where Fred Franz, who was vice-president of the society at that time (November 1954), is questioned before the court and testified the following:

  Q. In addition to these regular publications do you prepare and issue a number of theological pamphlets and books from time to time?

  A. Yes.

  Q. Can you tell me this; are these theological publications and the
  semi-monthly periodicals used for discussion of statements of doctrine?

  A. Yes.

  Q. Are these statements of doctrine held to be authoritative within the Society?

  A. Yes.

  Q. Is their acceptance a matter of choice, or is it obligatory on all those who wish to be and remain members of the Society?

  A. It is obligatory.

  Q. Did you imply that the individual member has the right of reading the books and the Bible and forming his own view as to the proper interpretation of Holy Writ?

  A. He comes – – –

  Q. Would you say yes or no, and then qualify?

  A. No. Do you want me to qualify now?

  Q. Yes, if you wish?

  A. The Scripture is there given in support of the statement, and therefore the individual when he looks up the Scripture and thereby verifies the statement, then he comes to the Scriptural view of the matter, Scriptural understanding as it is written in Acts, the seventeenth chapter and the eleventh verse, that the Bereans were more noble than those of Thessalonica in that they received the Word with all readiness, and they searched the Scripture to see whether those things were so, and we instruct to follow that noble course of the Bereans in searching the Scripture to see whether these things were so.

  Q. A Witness has no alternative, has he, to accept as authoritative and to be obeyed instructions issued in the "Watchtower" or the "Informant" or "Awake"?

  A. He must accept those.

  
  'Nuff said...

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  To JWs - Creative Day Request

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  the society used to state regularly that a creative day (cd) is exactly 7000 years long.

  actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a cd is "thousands of years" long.. two questions:.

  (i) is any jw here willing to find out if the wts still believes that a cd is exactly 7000 years long or not?

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  ...who just read LPH's other thread on this topic and is technically still a JW
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  To JWs - Creative Day Request

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  the society used to state regularly that a creative day (cd) is exactly 7000 years long.

  actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a cd is "thousands of years" long.. two questions:.

  (i) is any jw here willing to find out if the wts still believes that a cd is exactly 7000 years long or not?

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  cynicus

  I believe LPH's reference to 1988 is based on the following:

  *** w87 1/1 30 Questions From Readers ***

  Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long.

  In Awake of November 8, 1982 the following is stated:

  *** g82 11/8 7 Science and the Bible ***

  True, the account goes on to say that huge steps in the development of the earth took one day each. But, in the Bible, “day” can mean more than a twenty-four-hour period. It can mean a thousand years or even longer! (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 90:4) The Bible record, together with verifiable history, indicates that the seventh day of that creative week covers a period of 7,000 years. Hence, each of the six preceding “days” would be of the same length.

  This statement is referred to by an article in the Watchtower of 1994, September 1st, in a footnote on page 6. Apparently in 1994 the view that a 'creative day' covers a period of 7,000 years was still valid.

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  lurker first post

  by Magog in

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  first post.

  not df, so a bit nervous.

  thought i would check in from lurking.

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  Magog, I liked these a lot:

  The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine.

  Why people believe weird things, by Michael Shermer.

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  Time

  by larc in

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  what is your favorite day of the week?

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  cynicus

  Monday... I really like the moon.

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  question

  by larc in

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  question,.

  what is your favorite sandwich?

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  cynicus

  A ciabatta caprese of course!

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  You cannot go now - I'm flat at last!

  by GermanXJW in

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  the internet has been a very expensive medium in germany.

  but now the first flat rates have started: pay a fix amount and surf the internet as long as you wish.

  now i'm going flat at last and simon's board starts to break into pieces?

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  Gibt er noch andere (Europaeische) Web-foren die du besuchst, naturlich mit gleichem Thema, (ex-)ZJ? Ich war schon auf die InfoLink-seite aber die scheint mir etwas zu polemisch: dafur haben wir ja schon Kent und sein Observer.

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  IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

  by You Know in

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  when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

  it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

  one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

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  cynicus

  ... but if you think that Fred Franz's statement meant that he implied that Jehovah imparted special knowledge to him, then simply say what it is that Franz was inspired to prophecy...

  I've seen quite some examples of that here. Maybe I should remind you to Farkels articles concerning the 2300 days; and um, 1975 has been mentioned. That should suffice I think.

  However, maybe you can tell us in simple terms (we're all laymen remember) what Fred Franz really meant when he informed the court about the fact that, in stead of humans, Jehovah God became the editor of the Watchtower?

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