Posts by ed9991

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144000....DO THE NUMBERS ADD UP?????

by chuckyy in

as jws we were told only 144000 go to heaven from the time of christ right up to this day.it dawned on me before i was baptized one day during my study that the numbers dont add up.

the brother was telling me that the roman persecutions of the christians were killing thousands every week.

initially, within weeks of jesus death, there were 5000 christians at least in jerusalem.

ed9991

Somebody thinks the number is actually 1,440,000 based on:

Isaiah 6:13 "And there will still be in it a tenth and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down of them, there is a stump; a holy seed will be teh stump of it."
The one-tenth stump is the holy stump of natural Jews. The entire tree is thus ten times the size of the stump so the total number to be debated of combined Jews and gentiles is actually one million four hundred and fourty-four thousand (1,440,000).
But it seems that everyone that is "invited" doesn't truly fulfill the requirements. When Christ arrives, for instance many invited beg off and don't come resulting in many unfilled seats in the kingdom that are then filled with easterners and westerners, those not even Christians. So everyone has a chance, an "invite" to get into the kingdom, but many, many fail for one reason or another, so many that the 1,440,000 is not completed by Jews and Christians and so the full number is completed by whomever God chooses. Thus a huge failure rate should be factored in for all those considered as part of the 144,000. "Many are invited, but few chosen."
Even so, it would appear there is truly no problems with the numbers in this case, especially when the correct numbers are understood. 1,440,000 still isn't that large of a number comparatively, but admittedly easier to deal with than just 144,000.

Ed

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Sign of the "end times" and earthquakes....Connection?

by hubert in

i have "google earth", free version, and was scrolling around los angeles, california with it and happened to have the "earth quake" layer mode on, and when i set my altitude for around 16 miles up, i saw where it showed "tons" of earthquakes registered on the map, by way of a red circle.

most of these red circles, when clicked on them, showed an average of 2.5 to 4.2 reading, and a date year of 1994. .

i remember reading this week, about how the watchtower used to say that earthquakes were a sign that the "end is near", and so i'm wondering if it was around the time that all these quakes were happening in california in 1994?.

ed9991

Well, Thank you.

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Sign of the "end times" and earthquakes....Connection?

by hubert in

i have "google earth", free version, and was scrolling around los angeles, california with it and happened to have the "earth quake" layer mode on, and when i set my altitude for around 16 miles up, i saw where it showed "tons" of earthquakes registered on the map, by way of a red circle.

most of these red circles, when clicked on them, showed an average of 2.5 to 4.2 reading, and a date year of 1994. .

i remember reading this week, about how the watchtower used to say that earthquakes were a sign that the "end is near", and so i'm wondering if it was around the time that all these quakes were happening in california in 1994?.

ed9991

If the writers of the bible wanted to say "social unrest" they would say "social unrest" or "tremors of uneasyness amongst the people". ; ;
You're just twisting the intended meaning to suit your own beliefs.

It's not the Bible but the Bible translators. The basis of this Greek word, "seio" is used to refer to "shaking" and "trembling" as a person often trembles, but also is generally used as below where it is obvious in the context of a storm at sea this can't be "earthquake" but its the precise same word. Matthew 24 has the context of social events, pestilences and famines, wherein earthquake is out of this context, but not "commotions" or "shakings" which describe a world dealing with many socially upsetting situations and instabilities. Because of this, a nonfulfillment line for this text with all the scientific evidence looking for some substantial increase in earthquakes as to mark this period of time distinct from others is only limited to that specific translation of that term. Further, if it turns out that there were no appreciable differences in terms of literal earthquakes for this time it would appear that "earthquake" is a poor translation anyway. "Commotions" work better for me in this context.

From the Blueletter Bible for Strong's 4579

Strong's Number 4579 matches the Greek seio

1) to shake, agitate, cause to tremble

a) of men, to be thrown into a tremor, to quake for fear

b) metaph. to agitate the mind

Mat 8:24 And 2532 , behold 2400 , there arose 1096 a great 3173 tempest 4578 in 1722 the sea 2281 , insomuch that 5620 the ship 4143 was covered 2572 with 5259 the waves 2949 : but 1161 he 846 was asleep 2518 .

Mat 24:7 For 1063 nation 1484 shall rise 1453 against 1909 nation 1484 , and 2532 kingdom 932 against 1909 kingdom 932 : and 2532 there shall be 2071 famines 3042 , and 2532 pestilences 3061 , and 2532 earthquakes 4578 , in divers 2596 places 5117 .

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Sign of the "end times" and earthquakes....Connection?

by hubert in

i have "google earth", free version, and was scrolling around los angeles, california with it and happened to have the "earth quake" layer mode on, and when i set my altitude for around 16 miles up, i saw where it showed "tons" of earthquakes registered on the map, by way of a red circle.

most of these red circles, when clicked on them, showed an average of 2.5 to 4.2 reading, and a date year of 1994. .

i remember reading this week, about how the watchtower used to say that earthquakes were a sign that the "end is near", and so i'm wondering if it was around the time that all these quakes were happening in california in 1994?.

ed9991

" Tremors" do not always refer to literal earthquakes. They refer to social unrest. So earthquakes are not really an issue for this prohecy.

Ed