Posts by Saboteur

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I'm new here and have lots of questions

by jaada in

hello, i am new to this board, i am not a jehovahs witness however i studied with them for years, i went out into service a couple of times, but i havent done anything in 4 years.

i am so confused.

i always have been scared of the last days thing, but i could never accept the fact that while i was in the meetings, my husband and parents were all at home and the witnesses would tell me that unless they changed and started coming to the meetings that they would be killed!

Saboteur

Why do JWs claim to not celebrate Christmas or birthdays, but will accept gifts?
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Because Christmas originates from the celebration Saturnalia, which was a celebration to the Roman god Saturn. Birthdays originate from the Roman religion Mithraism.

Merely accepting gifts is just that, accepting gifts. But participating in those two things is different because they originate with Roman religions to Roman gods.
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Haven't there been a great deal of false prophecies by the WTS? Why don't these fasle prophecies seem to alarm or repel any of JWs? Do they not notice, or not care?
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A prophecy would be making a prophecy about the future. Which witnesses have not done.

What Witnesses have done is try to interpret what Jesus meant by 'this generation will by no means pass'. Those words were already there, the gentiles times were already written about as well. Witnesses themselves made no prophecies, just attempts at interpreting what was meant by 'this generation', as in 'does it mean the generation born in 1914'?

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I'm new here and have lots of questions

by jaada in

hello, i am new to this board, i am not a jehovahs witness however i studied with them for years, i went out into service a couple of times, but i havent done anything in 4 years.

i am so confused.

i always have been scared of the last days thing, but i could never accept the fact that while i was in the meetings, my husband and parents were all at home and the witnesses would tell me that unless they changed and started coming to the meetings that they would be killed!

Saboteur

Oh my goodness.

Can someone please tell me how to quote something? Obviously [quote] doesn't work.

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I'm new here and have lots of questions

by jaada in

hello, i am new to this board, i am not a jehovahs witness however i studied with them for years, i went out into service a couple of times, but i havent done anything in 4 years.

i am so confused.

i always have been scared of the last days thing, but i could never accept the fact that while i was in the meetings, my husband and parents were all at home and the witnesses would tell me that unless they changed and started coming to the meetings that they would be killed!

Saboteur

[quote]Interesting analogy. It doesn't quite work though. JWs aren't just telling people they must behave a certain way. They tell people they must be part of an organisation, and that the organisation is identifiable because its members behave a certain way. If that claim is false, then their self-identification as a pure unblemished organisation must be questioned, even if some of their doctrines are true.[/quote] That's the thing though. I can't look at it in terms of behavior because, really, what family or organization doesn't have it's flaws? People are imperfect, and are going to error. I just personally have never seen the relationship between behavior and plain doctrine. If the doctrine is true, then not agreeing with the behavior of certain people in the organization is actually moot, because that's not the primary reason to be there. Actually knowing that humans are imperfect, I take this into account before making a decision based on actual biblical facts. So, if the organization is teaching true doctrine, and one acknowledges believing the doctrine, then one must be part of said organization regardless of the organization making mistakes like becoming an NGO. Because becoming an NGO and there being a hell or not have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

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I'm new here and have lots of questions

by jaada in

hello, i am new to this board, i am not a jehovahs witness however i studied with them for years, i went out into service a couple of times, but i havent done anything in 4 years.

i am so confused.

i always have been scared of the last days thing, but i could never accept the fact that while i was in the meetings, my husband and parents were all at home and the witnesses would tell me that unless they changed and started coming to the meetings that they would be killed!

Saboteur

I have a question myself, for all who posted after jaada. I wish to understand the reasoning you are using.

You're in school, and you have an environment class. The teacher teaches you all about the environment and how mankind is messing it up, from the greenhouse effect to the ocean polluting to the cutting down trees to the gases cars use to strip mining to smoke, everything. The teacher goes to great lengths to tell you how all these things are bad.

Later on you find out the teacher doesn't recycle, smokes a lot and she drives the most gas guzzling car you can find, not the electric cars she kept preaching to you about in class.

Does this now make everything the teacher told you about how the environment is ruined false? If so, how does her actions make it false, I.E., "I say smoking contains things that makes the air unclean" but then you see me smoking, so now smoking doesn't really damage the air. How is this deduced?