That's not FUNNY! How inconsiderate of you to defile the memory of the great Jedi Master Yoda, by putting that hat on him. ~
D8TA
it was a joke!
and you fell for it like the fascists you are!
- rick - the young ones
irs erroneously paid slavery credits .
sat apr 13,11:19 am et .
by curt anderson, ap tax writer .
While you became incensed and launched personal attacks in your arguments, I did not.
Oh really? Though not SPECIFICALLY directed at me, how do you want me to take....
How dare YOU minimize the black holocaust? How dare YOU take for granted the many peaceful nights your ancestors (and YOU) have enjoyed sleeping without fear of white robes or masks?And WHO exactly is the "YOU" is in reference here? ANYONE and EVERYONE on this board who is not in line with your point of view. Pray tell, how is ONE or MANY not to take this judgemental statement personally?
Take accountability for blanket statements buddy. Those are YOUR words, not mine.
As far as education is concerned, I have more than the average and have taught at the University level.And I will say it again .... go to a "real" college. Though I'm two years from reaching my Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology....gee, I can also claim that "I too, have taught at the University level" as a professor's assistant, or in layman terms a "teacher's aid".
I can only ask you if you have ever completed any course work in african-american studies or race?YES I have! I am also very aware of my lineage! And I will be happy to point out that NO WHERE in my previous statement I implied that people of African decent did not suffer these atrocities. I DID point out that I do not take a narrow stance such as yourself, simply that OTHER ethnic people have suffered similar if not the same persecutions you have mentioned. This is called: being OBJECTIVE.
Your argument clearly is showing that African descendant's atrocities greatly outweigh other atrocities upon various ethnic groups in the U.S.
To clearly give credence to ONE ethnic group's atrocity over VARIOUS other ethnic group's atrocity does not JUSTIFY your position.
I'm going to retract something. You are NOT IGNORANT. You do show that you do hold the knowledge of various other ethnic atrocities...you just are INSENSITIVE to them. You feel that the African descendant atrocity DESERVES SUPERIOR and SPEACIAL treatment.
I challenge any of you scholarly, intelligent, elite, to produce documented evidence of violent campaigns carried out by the KKK against german, POLISH, irish, scottish, or british immigrants.and
Now, produce evidence of lynchings, church burnings, home burnings, rape, murder, segregation, that proves european immigrants suffered in the same manner as post-civil war blacks, and I will retract my original statements and issue to one an all a public apology.
Do I really NEED to provide evidence of Polish or East(Slavic) and South European(Italian/Greek/etc) persecution at the hands of the KKK? Or at the treatment of other "racist" citizens of the time, or modern era? How about the Jewish people? Arabic? Asian?
Also, what brought the irish here to america was exploitation and abuse by the british, not issues of skin color as the irish and the british are the SAME color....and
So, while immigrants were exploited for the menial jobs, (mostly because of class and education NOT COLOR),
But then, how do YOU explain discrimination the "lighter" pigment ethnic groups? Is a "light" skinned Jew, discriminated because their "COLOR"? Or a Eastern European of "light pigment" discriminated because of their "color"?
You also raised the "class" issue, sorry but...discrimination based on one's class is no lesser then disrimination on one's ethnicity, and or color. Discrimination is discrimination.
Or is, as I stated, these people are discriminated due to people who view these ethinic groups as being "lesser"?
Grandstanding and attemtping to share in the persecution of blacks in order to appease consciences is an old strategy to minimize history and reduce responsibility.WHOM'S responsibility? MINE? YOURS? THEIRS? Who here has ANY responsibility to slavery issue, now? WHO? Are you stating that I have responsibility? Or: Rhett? Puffsrule? Expabrit? JT? SixofNine? Bakeduck? Megadude? Sunscapes? Hyghlandr? Waiting? AGuest?
Since my Granparents on my Mother side came in the 1950's from Hungry from a long line of poor farmers. And my Father is 50% Native American with 50% African descendant ancestory. What possible "responsibility" do I share in paying an repriations? For simply being a citizen in the U.S.? Is that your argument? So tell me, how are we to go about this?
Your entire argument is that a "select" ethnic group is ENTITLED to repreations due to the treatment caused by a "select" group of people. Yet, EVERYONE must hold responsibility. That doesn't fly.
Tell me, what of the ancestors of people who fought, died, and persecuted in their effort to "free" your select group? Are they entitled to pay these repriations? Or are they ALSO entitled to repreations?
Is this "equal" justice?
I've said this before:
Try THINKING out your response before stepping on peoples toes.Did you "think" that the statements that you've made would NOT be taken personally by some people here? Did you "think" that you stating that EVERYONE, who is not of this "select" group you champion for, would NOT take it personally when you insist that WE/THEY ARE responsibile for the atrocity of slavery in the past?
As a decendant (from my father's side) of "slaves", did you "think" that you would not step on my toes when making blanket statements? That EVERYONE is responsible?
D8TA
irs erroneously paid slavery credits .
sat apr 13,11:19 am et .
by curt anderson, ap tax writer .
To those of you who boldy flaunt your european ancestry and the unfortunate plight of the turn of the century immigrant, I would caution you to remember that whether an immigrant was russian, polish, irish, italian, german or other, NONE were lynched, persecuted and attacked violently by the KKK.
I see, and um, of course...those people in "white hoods" never did go after Jews, Asians, Spanish, Italian, Arabic, Indian (India)etc. etc., or such right? Naaaaw. These people from these cultural backgrounds never had to sleep in "fear". Right? And never were discriminated in U.S. history by the "main stream" of society? Is this what are you saying? And lynching...never, never. Oh wait...I've got a song to sing..."I've been working on the RAILROAD...alll the live long daaay....". Have you actually READ the history on that? No? Didn't think so. Somebody needs to actually read FACTS and not have a revisionist point of view.
None were prevented from making purchases, drinking in community fountains, or riding the same public transportation.Again, I laugh at your ignorance. People of various Africana decent, WERE NOT the ONLY ones denied these services. You really should attend a "real" college. This is high school debate club crap....no worse, J.R. High.
Perhaps the American Civil War ended in 1865, however, up until 1945, over 10,000 more blacks were lynched in the southern states during that period. I don't remember any such styled incidents of violence occurring anywhere up north or in any of the large american cities where immigrants settled.Are you in a "special ed" class or something? Or is it, that you have your head shoved up so far in your ass? Let me give you a hint, READ UP ON YOUR PACIFIC NORTHWEST, RAILROAD, and MINING INDUSTRY history.
The argument of "my ancestors came here on a boat and worked hard....blah blah blah blah"..is outdated and weak. They were not singled out for any special persecution nor were they prevented from publicly integrating into the american mainstream. That fact conveniently escapes your notice.Boy! Again another IGNORANT statement! Perhaps you can explain why my Grandparents, whom escaped to Hungarian 50's revolution and came to the U.S., WERE singled out for NOT speaking english. WHO were HARRASSED VIOLENTLY by U.S. citizens, for where they came globally. That WERE PREVENTED from intergrating in to the "american mainstream". If it wasn't for another HUNGARIAN who had their foot in the door...my grandparents would of been S.O.L.
The northern industrial economy and the southern agricultural economy benefitted immensely FROM THE PRODUCTIVITY of SLAVE LABOR, period. That "free of charge" productivity grew the GNP & GDP of this country 100 fold during the 19th century. Check your facts.This is correct. Slaves from Africa were the MAJORITY of slave labor, yet they were NOT THE ONLY ETHNICAL GROUP ENSLAVED.
Now, no matter how your immigrant ancestors arrived, the fact is they found the land of opportunity this government was able to provide, which was created and built upon slave labor.EVERYTHING???? Every single solitary THING in the U.S. was built on Slave Labor....mah..mah...mwahahhahhaha! You crack my freaking sides. Every Business? Farm? Industrial complex? Construction company? GEEEBUS H. C! My god! Tell me you are not this IGNORANT! For the love of crickets! Please, do tell us how slave labor EFFECTED EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FOUNDATION of VARIOUS INDUSTURIES PRIVATE/PUBLIC that you claim credit of your argument for. Please do. I haven't had this much of a good laugh in a long while.
How dare you minimize the black holocaust? How dare you take for granted the many peaceful nights your ancestors (and you) have enjoyed sleeping without fear of white robes or masks?How DARE YOU jump to CONCLUSIONS about the heredity of individuals who post on this board you freakin' moron! Who the HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE to DICTATE JUDGEMENT on people who come various cultures in the U.S.??? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE to WEIGHING ANY JUSTIFICATION of one Ethnic group over another's tragedies in history??? You have a narrow mind.
Now granted...the current LAW SUITS against COMPANIES that existed pre-civil war time ARE JUSTIFIED. Any company or persons who had DIRECT profit due to SLAVE labor (albiet it be African, Asian, South American and YES European) should PAY reperations!
As for the common tax payer of this day? I suggest you take that telephone pole outta your ass, quit your crying, and come to reality. There is NO WAY you can justify any citizens of the U.S. to pay for repreations. NONE. NADDA. ZIP.
WHO will you tax? Since there are citizens descended from EVERY PART of the world....WHO do you think should pay? Who?
And dont give me this "Money is not repreations, it could be other programs" crap. Nobody here on this board is that stupid to believe this line of crap. It's all about moolah, nothing more.
Let me give you a nickles worth of free advice my friend: When a tragedy such as SLAVERY has happened in history, you dont go around saying EVERYONE should pay....no matter HOW MUCH IS OWED. Justice doesn't work that way. Makes as much sense as buying a shotgun, going out in public and shooting people...because in your mind, EVERYONE should hold responsibility to the actions of a select group of industries and/or people in history. Much less any "new comers" or ancestors of those people.
I only see one point in your argument...JUSTIFYING GREED.
Try THINKING out your response before stepping on peoples toes.
D8TA
i am thinking of getting a new computer.
i have an hp pc right now and thinking of switching to mac.
i saw the i-mac and fell in love with it --- its bucks but it does a ton of stuff.
" i have come here to chew bubblegum and kickass...and i am all out of bubblegum".
saw this on a commercial last night and it struck me as funny.. anyone have anymore quotes from movies?.
ps.
here's what i've been playin lately.
thought i give an opinion, if there is anyone out there looking for good games to play.. 1) jedi knight 2: outcast.
this game (made by raven-using quake 3 engine) i have to split in 2 categories.. a) single player.. once again you play kyle katarn (dark forces, dark forces: jedi knight) roaming around in first person shooter style, with an option of going in to a 3rd person perspective.
Here's what I've been playin lately. Thought I give an opinion, if there is anyone out there looking for good games to play.
1) Jedi Knight 2: Outcast
This game (made by Raven-using Quake 3 engine) I have to split in 2 categories.
A) Single Player.
Once again you play Kyle Katarn (Dark Forces, Dark Forces: Jedi Knight) roaming around in first person shooter style, with an option of going in to a 3rd person perspective. Booth views work well, except 3rd person is a necessity in lightsaber fights. Reason being, you can do some really neat acrobatic moves in 3rd person as opposed to not doing them in 1st.
The Single player game is tolerable, story/plot line is accetable and all around entertaining. Same ol' enemies from the previous titles reappear, and a few new ones emerge as well. As playing Kyle, you still get access to both "light" and "darkside" force powers, which come in handy at times.
All in all (to keep it short) Single player play is "fun".
B) Multiplayer
O...M....G. I've played about every 1st person shooter there is in multiplayer. From System Shock, Doom, Unreal, All the Quakes etc. etc. You name it, I've played it.
JK:Outcast multiplayer will suck your life away. This is where this title SHINES. And in IMO, is the better half of this game. I really can't put a finger on what makes this Multiplayer experience one of the best I've played. The weapons are run of the mill, the core Raven level designs are passable. But, I think what really gets people addicted is the addition of Lightsaber and Forcepowers variety.
The Lightsaber is no longer a stick to just go around wacking people with. It's now an "art" to master. Again, playing in 3rd person view, you have access to a variety of styles. You can now actually hotkey your moves alla-Obi-Wan-Phantom menace style. The only thing you have missing is the Ray Park/Darth Maul martial art kicks. But anything else is possible. Get in a saber lock? No problem...Force Push your opponent away. Or heck, if yer quick....Force Pull your opponent unto thy blade....shishikabob style. These are just a few examples. But this element, combined with various force powers, in multiplay is addicting. It's something to experience, and I can't do justice in explaining in print in what you can do. Just get this game, you'll see.
Single Player C+ / Multiplayer A+
Freedom Force
ZAM! POW! ZOINK! Remember those good old days where Good was Good, and Evil was just Evil in comic books? (ack...sorry they are called "graphic novels" now, lol). When superheroes got their superpowers in corny yet entertaining ways? When the bad guys just wanted to rule the world, just for the sake of...well...ruling the world?
Welcome to the world of Freedom Force. A title based on the 60's-early 70's element of the superhero comic book world. Where you control a variety of "generic" brand superheroes in Real Time or Turn Based action style. Much like in the style of Jagged Alliance or X-Com...yet you can do battles at YOUR pace. You can just go with the flow, issuing commands on the fly...or you can pause the game and issue commands to your superhero team with tactical finesse. Or do both!
The story/plot is cheesy...not CLUMSY AND BAD cheesy, mind you-but...Entertaining, comical, enjoyable cheesy. Like Austin Powers cheesy. Each campaign story has that typical over dramatic sense to it, even the narrator who aids each storyline, is enjoyable in this way. Had my sides splitting in laughter continaully. It really "captures" the flavor of that comic book genre. The voice acting is superb as well, for each comic of the book heros.
The main hero, Minute Man, starts of the first few missions in a solo-tutorial. This get's you aquianted with the game play, which is necessary. Since the environment is totally interactive! See a lamp post? Pull that sucker outta the ground and weild it like a baseball bat! Bonking that group of bad guys with it! Cars, trucks, garbage cans, boulders, trailers from semi-trucks, trees...jeeeeez you name it it's "interactiable"! Here's one example: Had a group of thugs on top of a skyscrapper shooting at my hero, I picked up this huge vat of volitile material and threw at the building! And the whole skyscrapper came down, taking the the thugs with it! It was amazing. There's just so much you can do to manipulate the environment to your advantage...you just need to be cautious of "innocent" bystanders and citizens of the city. Hurting them is a big "no-no".
As the game progresses, you begin to recruit various allies. Each having different strengths and vulnerabilities. You develope teams of good guys, to go thwart the various plots of various bad guys. Pretty simple, yet implimented masterfully. This adds to the replayability of the game. Since there is a huge list of Heroes to choose from to recruit...you won't be able to recruit them all. So playing thru the game again with different heroes, provides different ways to solve problems.
One of the BEST attributes of this game...CREATING CUSTOMIZED Heroes. Oh MAN! What ever hero you can think of...you can create! Ever wanted to have Superman fighting alongside with Spiderman...no problemo...create them yourself! Although...you will need to download their "skins" from the already various websites devoted to this game. The coice of attributes, powers, strengths and weaknesses are complete. Of course, there isn't any "Kryptonite" in the game...but there are "similar" elements you can attribute to your character to match there portfolio, in order to make that custom character behave in the way they do in their hero universe.
There is a multiplayer element to the game as well, although-since Jedi Knight has been sucking my life away in this area-I haven't been able to fiddle around with it.
All in all, this game is not good...but..it's DAMN GOOD! I'm pretty sure if you give it a try, you will enjoy it.
I give it an: A
D8TA
the spectacular!.
the item of many uses!.
it's the garden tool's fault.
The one and only!
The spectacular!
The item of many uses!
I present to you all...
The Amazing! . . .
Garden Tool!
I like the Garden Tool. I admit it. I'm a big fan of this product.
It's a most useful tool. It aids me when I'm planting vegetables,
helps me with the apple tree. The variety of uses it has around my,
yard are unbelievable! Turns the place in to a virtual paradise, I tell you.
Owning one for myself, I can tell you, has made me a happier man.
Now, there are some people who don't like the Garden Tool.
For some reason, and it's their right mind you-no dispute
here, they really don't find what all the hoopla is about on this
Garden Tool. I'm sure they have their reasons, some may not have
a yard. Others, maybe gardening and/or landscaping is not what
catches their fancy. But they don't like it, it's their right. I can
respect that. So, they debate and criticize the Garden Tool.
No biggie.
Now I've found that there are actually two uses for the Garden Tool.
A) To beautify life, to help the world be a happier place. For myself,
family, and nieghbors.
or
B) Bury this Garden Tool in to my nieghbor's skull. Though it was not
intended for this type of use, I can utilize this tool in this way.
In fact, let me ask you: Which is the more exciting and profitable way to use
the Garden Tool?
Let's ask the the popular media shall we?
1) "Ms. Fields plants new rose bush with Garden Tool in her backyard"! . . .not catchy, is it.
No flair! I mean come on! Where's the action!?! Where's the suspense??? Doesn't MOST
EVERYONE use the Garden Tool in this way? What's the big deal in Ms. Field's daily
gardening habits, using a tool the way it's suppose to be used? No big deal at all.
Now...let's try:
2) "MS. FIELDS HACKS FAMILY OF 6 WITH GARDEN TOOL!"....now that's more like it!!! That
grabs everyone's attention! That will get them Newspapers to sell. Not everyday you see someone
take the common household item and hack a family of 6 with it, now do you?? And we'll get sponsers
for our television media outlets too! With all those viewers and readers waiting to see what happens
next to Ms. Fields, I'm sure there are many corporations willing to capatalize on this situation. They'll
sponser 20/20 or Dateline with thier name brand detergeants, motoroil, tampons, you name it! For that
"exclusive" presentation on Ms. Fields' story.
And here come the critics of the Garden Tool! Filling all the cable news networks shows, giving their
"expert" opinions. Writing their editorails of woe the Garden Tool has caused.
Proudly proclaiming a sense of victory, that a situation has occured in the name
of the Garden Tool. Somehow gives credance to their THEORIES and OPINIONS, grants evidence
and facts to postulate that the Garden Tool is truly useless and evil to humanity.
Let's stick with subjects (B) and (2) shall we? After all, it's the more interesting point of this article.
See after Ms. Fields utilizes the Garden Tool in this way. Somehow, in U.S. society, it really isn't
Ms. Fields fault. It's the Garden Tool's fault. Really, it is. Ms. Fields is not accountable to her actions
for maybe a variety of reasons. Some may include a:
Abusive childhood
Strict upbringing
Didn't get to go to the prom
Was bullied at school
Daddy was overbearing
Mommy was overbearing
She was the black sheep of her classroom
etc.
etc.
Please, by all means, add to this list.
I mean, forget that Ms. Fields had something wrong in her head
when she used the Garden Tool. By all means, please, forget that Ms. Fields decided to use this Garden
Tool for her own purposes. That Ms. Fields weilded the Garden Tool, decided to go to her nieghbor's house,
and hack up the family of 6. I mean, after all...just the mere presence of the Garden Tool instigates this
behavior in most people, now doesn't it? .....doesn't it?
Or perhaps it was Ms. Fields utilizing the Garden Tool in the wrong way. To fufill a desire of the darker side she
held within herself. You know, that darker side? We all have one, though some won't like to admit it. Most of us
contain those darker feelings: Hate, Revenge,....Murderous impulses. Most of us on this planet know how to
contain these non helpfull behaviors. Ms. Field succumbed to it. And utilized a tool to achieve the end means.
So really, it wasn't the Garden Tools fault at all. In fact, sad to say, it was Ms. Fields.
The point here, there are many Garden Tools in our lives. Education, Religion, Science, Tradition...etc. etc.
And these, in turn have many tools borne from them. The everyday John & Jan Doe utilizes these tools
in healthy positive way. Yet there are some in this world, that utilize these tools for there own darker
needs. It's not the Garden Tool that causes the problem, it's the People who use it in the wrong way...
THEY are the problem.
D8TA
i hate the baptist church behind our house.
they are loud and obnoxious in the summer.
their youth group meets on tuesday evenings and more than once my husband has had to go over and ask them to be quiet.
You and your husband could...well, keep them "away" from the backyard portion of your house.
1) Get one of those cheap plastic pools.
2) Fill it with warm water.
3) Invite some "liberal" friends over.
4) On the churches loudest summer day, go to the backyard with pool.
5) All of you strip BUCK-NEKKID
6) Start your own baptism ceremony
7) When the church goers gawk in disbelief, invite them over.
8) If any come over, state they need to strip BUCK-NEKKID
9) Baptise them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
D8TA
lol sorry i am feeling fluffy tonight .
mulan started it!!!!!!!.
coke for me....the real thing or nothing!
Okay I'm going to do a Online Computer BLIND TASTE test right now.
:: D8TA puts on blind fold::
:: wife puts X product on left::
:: wife puts X product on right::
::D8TA tastes X product on left:: "Hmmm, glassy tasting".
::D8TA tastes X product on right:: "Errr, eew, tastes like Windex".
:: D8TA Lifts blind fold::
Yep, 9 outta 10 D8TA's agree...never do a taste test with pictures of Coke or Pepsi on your screen. Both will taste like a monitor.
D8TA
by eyad sarraj.
a palestinian doctor explains why so many of his people want to be martyrs.
a few weeks ago, my sister, a professional and a mother of four, was visibly shaken as she watched, on television, israeli tanks torturing the streets of a refugee camp and soldiers raping its homes.
Man, I tell ya with my major (cultural anthropology) I've been studying this whole mess for quite some number of years. To this day, I can't form an objective opinion upon a conflict that has been going on for over a few 1000 years.
I just wish all that killing would stop. Period. Both sides, just stop. But with the historical events, I just can't fathom an ending to the problem.
Sometimes I sway left, then to the midddle, and then to the right.
Sometimes I'm compassionate to one or the other.
Sometimes I'm sick of it.
Just split the country in two.
Each side with it's sovriegn state.
Each side gets what it wants.
Then the fighting will happen, for another reason all over, again.
Have the world build a big wall around their new country.
Let them duke it out to the last person standing.
When that last person leaves the wall enclosure and proclaims victory...
Shoot the bastard.
WHoooops, sorry, I drifted there for a second.
D8TA