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25So ya say it's your Birthday?
by Yerusalyim init's my birthday too.
i'm 38 today wooohooo!!!!!!.
yerusalyim.
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muslims like osama bin laden
by yumyum inwe always hear the muslims such as osama bin laden, prayed for september 11, and always say more destruction will come to america and jews "god willing" but god is not willing, so besides for the devil, why does their prayers come true for them?
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Woot! Smack dab! Did it again...you're just to slow Naeb, to slow!
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muslims like osama bin laden
by yumyum inwe always hear the muslims such as osama bin laden, prayed for september 11, and always say more destruction will come to america and jews "god willing" but god is not willing, so besides for the devil, why does their prayers come true for them?
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we always hear the christians such as Bill O'Rielly, prayed for the the war agains the Taliban, and always say more destruction will come to Al-Quaeda and muslim fundamentalists "god willing" but god is not willing, so besides for the devil, why does their prayers come true for them?
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Greeting A New Neighbor
by drahcir yarrum inhere's the scenario and i need advise on how to handle this.
.. i found out this afternoon that a former jw and obvious apostate has moved in two houses down from me.
while i didn't know he or his wife when i was a jw, another friend of mine advised me of their arrival in the neighborhood.. should i:.
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Drac,
Naw...try doing what I do when any new neighbor moves in.
Go over and introduce yourself. Then ask if they have experienced any odd occurrence that has happened in their house, just like the last four neighbors who lived prior in the house had experienced. Then talk about the local town and yearly festivities it holds, to break the conversation up. Now, go back to the original topic and spin a tale about how the house had numerous prior owners. Mix it up with the good 50’s family, the biker family, the new age mystic family etc. Now talk about sports or something for a few minutes. Now break the conversation and return to topic. Spin a tale about how one evening about a decade ago, a man and his wife had moved in to the house and one day the neighborhood noticed the man hadn’t come out of the house. Now add, that the police arrived a few days after someone had phoned a suspicious smell from the house. Don’t go in to any detail, just say the neighborhood noticed the coroner arrive and take “something” out of the house. Then tell them that 3 days later the wife had abandoned the house. Now talk about how you like to do lawn or garden work, again breaking up the conversation. Again return and spin another tale about how another owner prior to them, kept coming over to your house and asking if you’ve noticed dishes and chairs moving on their own in your house. Then tell them that person moved out 3 weeks after buying the house. Now talk about how you like to go fishing, again breaking up the “house” conversation. Return to topic, and start a tale of how neighbors would phone in complaints about the screaming coming from their house when it was up for sale at one time….tell them the neighborhood was concerned that there was derelicts living in the house, but when the police investigated there was no one in the house.
Now, look at your watch and say: “Oh man, the coven is meeting in a half hour, I gotta go. Nice meeting you. And…welcome to the neighborhood.”
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AINT GOING TO HAPPEN!
by D8TA inhis three boats stove around him, and oars and men both whirling in the eddies; one captain, seizing the line-knife from his broken prow, had dashed at the whale, as an arkansas duellist at his foe, blindly seeking with a six inch blade to reach the fathom-deep life of the whale.
that captain was ahab.
and then it was, that suddenly sweeping his sickle-shaped lower jaw beneath him, moby dick had reaped away ahab's leg, as a mower a blade of grass in the field.
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Princess asked:
You aren't skipping out on the apostafest are you? I'm really looking forward to meeting you. Please?
What? No way would I skip out on apostofest. I'm sooo there! No worries, will be there with beer and chips in hand to share.=====================================================================
Okay, I should be a bit more clear as to what I'm saying here. My feelings on the WBTS were to "seek out and destroy that which hurt me". I'm just not going to post the "Destroy the WBTS" posts. This does not mean I'm not going to counter arguments on THIS MESSAGE BOARD. Outside of this board, that's another arena. I'm not going to go and protest their beliefs beyond this board. This is a forum where on can debate issues.Why?
Any Jehovah Witness who really believes in their faith without question, would not come to a place that is KNOWN to have apostates on it. Just by being on this board, I see anyone claiming to be a Jehovah Witness, is in some effect having DOUBTS about their faith. For why would they come here? You either BELIEVE or you DON'T BELIEVE. IF they come to this board, then that in it's self is an action of one having doubt. Remember: "Jehovah" has no "ifs ands or buts" on this. If they are truly faithful, they would "abstain" from such a place. So if a Jehovah Witness comes HERE, I do see it legit to at least question and/or debate. This is what this forum is set up to do. Now, should I respect the belief? Yes. Does this mean I'm NOT able to engage in discussion and debate? No.
Now on to Olivia's statement (and since she/he comes to THIS board):
Earlier this evening I entered a posting about blood. You responded to it with a very unusual remark, something about cows milk! Is this decision to "respect the right of one's belief and practice" something you decided since then? There is no need to reply to this posting...I am very forgiving! I am glad for your new resolve on life!
And did I say it is wrong of you to not to eat blood?
Nope.Did I badger you on not eating blood?
Nope.Did I say that your view and the view of the WBTS is wrong on issue of blood?
Nope.I asked if you drink cow's milk. I was trying to understand your argument of: Jehovah has no ifs ands or buts on blood and that you beleive that the Bible does not "fractionalize" blood. But why do many, many, many, JWs drink cows milk? Where is the "magic line" to determine what is acceptable as to blood? And since your extreme stance on blood, I gave you a suggestion as how to handel it as your religion would see fit. After all, it wasn't me who stated that (your) Jehovah doesn't fractionalize blood. And this seems to be a very important issue with your belief. So much, that there is a level of importance beyond sins that include: Lying, stealing, and fornication etc.
So, if one holds such an extreme view on blood, why is it okay to drink cows milk and not be disfellowshiped for such a practice?
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Am I reading this right?
by RedhorseWoman inthe latest wt questions from readers on blood.
fractions of all "primary" components are now allowed?.
is this saying that everything is allowed except when they're combined together?
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Please address me in a manner that I will understand what you are trying to say. What has cows milk to do with blood? Sorry, but I don't get your logic. Explain!
Well, since I DON'T KNOW in what MANNER you will understand as to what I'm saying...I'll do my best.
1) Go buy some cow milk
2) Pour it in a glass container.
3) Take the glass container and set it outside for 3 days.
4) On the 3rd day, post what you observe as to what happened to the milk.
5) I think you will be suprised as to what you see.Or, to wipe out your ignorance on the subject of milk, I'm not your daddy. YOU go out and research the components of milk.
Now, as to your argument on Jehovah's view on blood:
1) Go to your local Kingdom Hall
2) Report that for many years you have been drinking and enjoying milk.
3) This will show that you are not repentant
4) Now, enjoy being disfellowshiped.(after all, should you go in an admit that you've commited fornication for many years and enjoyed it, would you not also be disfellowshiped?)
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Am I reading this right?
by RedhorseWoman inthe latest wt questions from readers on blood.
fractions of all "primary" components are now allowed?.
is this saying that everything is allowed except when they're combined together?
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The Bible does not "fractionalize" blood...it clearly states to "abstain" from it.
When was the last time you had a nice glass of cow's Milk?
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WAR & RUMORS OF (NUCLEAR) WAR
by You Know ina question for all to consider is: if pakistan and india go nuclear, as seems to becoming more likely by the day, how long will civilization be able to stay intact without completely unraveling, and during that interval will ridiculers be able to maintain the delusion that nothing out of the ordinary is happening in the world?
/ you know.
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/753586.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1
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You Know? The way I see it, should Pakistan & India actually do use nuclear arsenal...it will not have an effect of causing this planet to chain react in to chaos.
Think about this for a second:
Do you think, the world community and governments, are going to be happy should these adversaries start a nuclear confrontation?
1) China would be pissed. They don't want any radioactive fallout swinging their way. They aren't going to to take sides, they are going to be pissed at both countries.
2) S.E. Asia and Australia would be pissed for same reason as above.
3) Europe will be pissed, for same reason as above.
4) North America will not condone such a course of action, and they will be pissed.
5) South America will follow N. America's lead.
6) There will be an outcry of support from various Islamic groups for Pakistan, but as a whole, I don't think neighboring countires are going to be happy should fallout enter their countries.
So what do we have here? The whole world will be united and pissed off that Pakistan and India chose a selfish action, disregarding the global communities health and well being.
So contrary to your thoery of madness and mayhem, I see unity as a greater possiblity.
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AINT GOING TO HAPPEN!
by D8TA inhis three boats stove around him, and oars and men both whirling in the eddies; one captain, seizing the line-knife from his broken prow, had dashed at the whale, as an arkansas duellist at his foe, blindly seeking with a six inch blade to reach the fathom-deep life of the whale.
that captain was ahab.
and then it was, that suddenly sweeping his sickle-shaped lower jaw beneath him, moby dick had reaped away ahab's leg, as a mower a blade of grass in the field.
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“His three boats stove around him, and oars and men both whirling in the eddies; one captain, seizing the line-knife from his broken prow, had dashed at the whale, as an Arkansas duellist at his foe, blindly seeking with a six inch blade to reach the fathom-deep life of the whale. That captain was Ahab. And then it was, that suddenly sweeping his sickle-shaped lower jaw beneath him, Moby Dick had reaped away Ahab's leg, as a mower a blade of grass in the field. No turbaned Turk, no hired Venetian or Malay, could have smote him with more seeming malice. Small reason was there to doubt, then, that ever since that almost fatal encounter, Ahab had cherished a wild vindictiveness against the whale, all the more fell for that in his frantic morbidness he at last came to identify with him, not only all his bodily woes, but all his intellectual and spiritual exasperations. The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung. That intangible malignity which has been from the beginning; to whose dominion even the modern Christians ascribe one-half of the worlds; which the ancient Ophites of the east reverenced in their statue devil; - Ahab did not fall down and worship it like them; but deliriously transferring its idea to the abhorred white whale, he pitted himself, all mutilated, against it. All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.” – Moby Dick
A Visit From a True Friend
A friend of mine had stopped by to give me a visit. She and I go back to days of early childhood; 10 years of age the both of us were when we first met. She has been the closest friend I’ve had, next to my wife.
My wife is a friend in the aspects of bias. She will always back me up, supports what I do. She trusts my decisions and let’s me do my thing. But this friend of mine from childhood, she is more of the I’m-not-going-to-be-biased-and-tickle-your-ears type of friend. A very educated person, and will speak her point of view. I both respect and admire her for who she is, and the wisdom that she possesses.
We sat down, eating some good ol’ suburban bar-b-Q this evening. Recollecting our experiences we shared the past 20 years together, entertaining my wife with the stories and such. Before my wife and I married, this friend and I had traveled around the globe together. We have never been “romantically” linked in our friendship, which is something we both pride ourselves on, it’s a brother and sister type relationship we have. This is a person who “knows” me.
So, as the evening passed, it came my time to share my current pursuits and endeavors. I shared my visits to this board, and gave her my current position as to what I think and how I feel about the WBTS. She was never a JW, but is very aware of my history and break away from the cult. Yet, after telling her how I feel about it at the present time, something happened that put myself in check.
After my “point of view” discussion had ended (which I will generally describe as what I’ve typed on this board), my friend sat there with tears in her eyes. Just motionless, looking at me with a pale white face. Her look was stoic in a way. For the first time in 20 years, I couldn’t tell what she was thinking or feeling. After an awkward moment of silence, those tears were not of empathy or sympathy, but tears of disappointment. And did she let me know about it.
For the past 10 years, I have always had a point of view that all humanity is equal. I have fought, debated, educated, lived, breathed, and ate this. I have also in my educational realm, been objective and fair. I have a voice of dissent when it comes to bigotry and hate. I’ve stood by the values of “freedom of speech”, and the respect of those who belong to faiths despite what religion they are in. This doesn’t go to say that I condone extremists who murder in the name of religion, but I do respect people and their beliefs of this globe. Should such a group practice harmful actions against humanity, I draw the line there. But I’m not going to give in to hate. I’ll be angry, and let such groups know about it. Thanks to my friend, she handed me a mirror, and let me know I’ve strayed from what I believe in.
Boy, do I owe the world an apology.
See, this past winter I let my anger get the best of me. I looked at my experience as a JW child and the unjust treatment from the WBTS, and my anger had turned to hate. So much so, within this aspect of experience in my life, I’ve lost total objectivity to this situation. And loosing this in one area, can in effect, allow others to question my arguments in other aspects of life.
This doesn’t mean that I should dismiss the wrong that WBTS has done to me, or others, but it doesn’t give me personally the allowance to seek vengeance upon them. No, I’m not going to turn myself in to a monster, which gives the WBTS victory. After breaking free, and become what I despise? Waste all that effort to clear my mind of all doubt that which is a lie? To overcome with only personal effort, to be one of the few to liberate one’s mind, only to be obsessed with the destruction of the WBTS? No thanks.
I make the decision to do otherwise. I will still come to this board and post, to show my support for those struggling and wish to break free from WBTS. I will do my best to channel what anger those around may have. I am not going to dismiss anyone’s anger at the WBTS, nor counsel them to change their personal view. I’m just going to go back to who I really am, objective and fair, respect the right of one’s belief and practice in it…even though I greatly disagree with such a belief. If there are those who want out, then I’ll do what I can to aid in that area. But I do understand and empathize with those angry, for I too am angry. I just won’t let it turn in to hate. But, that’s for me.
As to the issue of my family? 2 out of my 3 sisters left. The MS who “studied” with me at age 12, he and his wife left. I shared an objective view with these people; they listened and made their own decisions. My mom, poor lady, made her decision. She rather let the opinions of 12 faceless men dictate her relationship with her own family. Nothing I can do to change her point of view. She’s either going to accept me for who I am and accept what I believe in, or she will follow her faith and do otherwise. Should she choose not to talk to me? Her loss.
So in closing: I say GOODBYE ye old Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. There are those jumping your ship, and I’ll be the one of MANY helping them on to life raft should THEY seek it.
Besides….
::smirk::
It looks like your sinking your own ship anyway.
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German Branch celebrates 100th anniversary
by GermanXJW inin 1902 there was an office in barmen-elberfeld (today a part of wuppertal) distributing watchtowers and russell's books.
so, the german branch celebrates its 100th "birthday" this year.
last weekend there was a so-called "day with open doors" (tag der offenen tur, quite common in germany) when the public was invited and anybody could come and take a look at the facilities and eat and drink.
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Hey, 100th B-Day eh? Does the branch win a liftime of Depends?
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