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  The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

  by D8TA in

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  while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

  of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

  for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

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  And did I say anything about a "police state".

  Try again skippy.
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  Diapers A Threat To National Security!

  by target in

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  we have an internet business selling organic baby diapers and other baby things.

  we had a shipment from sweden delivered by air born.

  it was diaper covers, swim diapers and rice paper liners for diapers.

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  So what?

  I mean, at least you feel "secure" right? That's what matters, right?

  Just ask our local Centurion of Rome, he'd be more an happy to explain why his masters and commander in Chief are "caring" for you, with the best intentions.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=46373&site=3

  Or perhaps a few others will be happy to call you a crazy, or a conspiratist, or a "liberal".
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  The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

  by D8TA in

  1. jw
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  while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

  of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

  for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

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  Again...If you have something of value to contradict this evidence, please present it.
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  The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

  by D8TA in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

  of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

  for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

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  What rights have you or I lost

  And you should read the entire thread, so we may not REHASH what has already been said. But I'll humor you.

  FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations. http://www.agrnews.org/issues/202/nationalnews.html#nation2

  FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

  http://www.westernfrontonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/01/31/3e3b00ed289fd

  ( why don't you try reading some of the links first before asking stupid questions, and wasting thread space, I have been providing "what rights and freedoms" that have been lost)

  FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

  http://www.detnews.com/2002/livingston/0208/01/d05l-551008.htm

  RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes. http://www.criminaljustice.org/public.nsf/testimony/2001lt021?OpenDocument

  FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions. ( shall I continue to list links, or are you too lazy to read them for yourself....go over ALL the links and quit wasting my time. This is covered -in the links- as to the FIOA being compromised and even denied to media and the public.)

  and what is the balance between personal "freedoms" and legitimate security concerns post 9-11

  It's called "innocent until proven guilty",

  it's called "a right to a speedy trial thru due process",

  It's called the "right to free expression"

  It's called the right "to assemble peacefully".

  It's called the right as to "search and seizure".

  The "balance" lays with the people of the United States to take the responsibility as to hold the government accountable for the way it exercises its powers. Not the other way around.

  Sarcasm general stems from a lack of valid arguement.

  Thanks for your OPINION, duly noted...don't like it? Tough shit. Don't like the way I handle my threads? Don't read them.

  Again...If you have something of value to contradict this evidence, please present it.
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  The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

  by D8TA in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

  of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

  for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

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  As you bellowed on about losing freedoms, I didn't see you enumerate a single freedom either you or I have lost.

  So "bellowed" the faithful Centurion and servant of Rome...
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  The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

  by D8TA in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

  of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

  for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

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  D8TA

  Remember people, these arguments always work:

  "I'm 50 years old, my age show I know more then people younger then me...just ignore the facts that are present".

  "It's liberal talk."

  and

  "I don't see anybody getting arrested, there's no rights being taken away...your talking crazy."

  Well, in your eye:

  http://www.criminaljustice.org/public.nsf/testimony/2001lt021?OpenDocument

  http://www.agrnews.org/issues/202/nationalnews.html#nation2

  http://www.detnews.com/2002/livingston/0208/01/d05l-551008.htm

  http://www.westernfrontonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/01/31/3e3b00ed289fd

  http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_patriotactsuit021028.html

  http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/06/23/MN75593.DTL

  http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-933202.html

  And heaven forbid, the FBI visited a library. What books did they collect and burn? Or, is it that they may look at what is being said on a PUBLIC computer?

  Is this about "book burning" or "censorship", no it is not...so stick to the topic. It's about rights to privacy. When is it the FBI's business about ANYBODY'S reading habits. Your "public library" argument doesn't fly, due to the FACT that they can investigate ANYBODY about their PRIVATE book buying habits at a LOCAL AND PRIVATE BUSINESS BOOK STORE! Try again Skippy!

  Troops are not roaming the streets gunning down innocent civilians.

  There are no mass concentration camps where "hundreds of innocent people" are being held.

  A violation of one's rights and freedoms does not conclude with this type of activity. This is junior high...no it's frickin elementary school logic. Try again Skippy!

  No one is being monitored due to religious belief or political leanings.

  And my links on this post PROVE otherwise...again...try again Skippy!

  So far, all we have against my EVIDENCE and FACTS (by Farkel and Dakota) is ignorant opinion & blind trust of the government...as well as labeling and name calling.

  If you have something of value to contradict this evidence, please present it.

  And again...both of you know me well enough, that I like to set people up with an argument. Like I said...no...I WARN...give it a few weeks and; There will be someone from THIS board, that YOU know (not me, not even an associate/friend of mine) will be telling a story about how NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM...led to abuse by Federal Authorities as to their simple activity as to inquiry and protest.

  The problem is, one day it's going to hit you directly or somebody you care about...and you'll be saying; "Well shit, D8TA (damn that arrogant bastard)...he was right after all".
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  Need some info on Pistols

  by jelly in

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  i am thinking of getting a pistol and i am not sure of what kind to get.

  i went to an indoor range today and tried out a glock .45 (the smaller model) and a heavier .45. i found the glock rested well in my hand but i could shoot much more accurately with the heavier (and longer barreled) pistol.

  any way, i am looking for a home protection / target practice pistol and would like any input on what caliber to get.

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  A SAWED of Shotgun!

  ( great for close range, wide area spread...but is rather messy when cleaning the guts off your wall )
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  The most romantic act ever done for you?

  by zenpunk in

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  well valentine's day is almost here...but the most romantic thing my husband ever did for me came a few days earlier - on my birthday.. this is the very first birthday i am openly celebrating since leaving so he took me to my favorite restaurant sat.

  night.

  as we were walking in, i said, "someday i would love a big birthday party with all my family" (sans jw parents of course).

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  One time I had a cat rub up against my leg. Does that count?

  Works for me!
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  WAS SEX ALLOWED IN SODDOM & GOMORRAH

  by nightwarrior in

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  what happened in sodom & gomorah,.

  concerning the people or perverts whom wanted to have sexual relations with the angels,sent by jehova god,.

  lot offerd his daughters up to the crowd but no they wanted the young men ,as they were good looking most of the crowd were blinded,yes, how would jehovah punish the elders of today connected to child abuse cases ,would they receive immediate judgment ,as jehovah showed back in soddoms history , or would jehovah ignore the abusers,without punishment and allow them to continue forever without punishment as the watchtower and tract society does today, .

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  Better yet...WERE CAPS USED THERE ALSO?????
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  The most romantic act ever done for you?

  by zenpunk in

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  well valentine's day is almost here...but the most romantic thing my husband ever did for me came a few days earlier - on my birthday.. this is the very first birthday i am openly celebrating since leaving so he took me to my favorite restaurant sat.

  night.

  as we were walking in, i said, "someday i would love a big birthday party with all my family" (sans jw parents of course).

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  Romance? What's that??

  It's the carefully planned warfare between two individuals, employing special tactics in giving; flowers, candy, small notes, and a candle light dinner. There is a constant exchanges of smiles and passionate eye contact, in which the ultimate goal is to woo each other to the ultimate victory: Putting somebody's "hoo hoo" in to somebody's "chi chi" so that the human race can thrive thru procreation.