Posts by freemindfade

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2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

by Simon in

one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

so muskets all round.

freemindfade

I know a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life from all over America that do own guns. I can safely say not one of them do so that they can form a militia.

People watch the news and see a bunch of hillbillies in oregon, and listen to the NRA and think that is the typical American gun owner. Well its not.

You also have

hobbiests (yes its hard to believe some people just like guns)

Hunters.

People who have them for protection (from people or animals or both)

Gangs (big and small. I don't think they are trying to form militias)

So while the second amendment may be used to protect peoples rights to have guns based on an age old american principle, its probably the last reason most people own guns. People from the the UK and Canada and Australia are so terrified of us and our craaaaazy gun laws. Stay home. America is just to scary for you. You are better off arm chair quarterbacking from the safety of your home.

*wildly shoots guns in air screaming yeeha merica!*

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Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus

by cappytan in

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friends

the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.

yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.

i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.

freemindfade

It was an Israelite dream, like much of the OT.

that about sums it all up lol

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

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friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

freemindfade

What I see when someone says they believe in god...

All theists would be a lot more respectable if they would just admit that they "want to believe" in god, but actually can't because there is zero evidence. Shit there is more evidence for the existence of ufo's!!

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Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus

by cappytan in

jw
friends

the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.

yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.

i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.

freemindfade

The video "Patterns of Evidence" explains this in depth. There is some compelling evidence there.

I watched this video, and thought it was awful.

The problem is that the bible pulled from surrounding realities to come up with their "stories". There are a lot of reason jericho could have fallen, that doesn't mean the bible ludicrous explanation is reality. It makes far more sense to believe that an ancient city was destroyed by an earthquake, volcano, or siege, then the leftover ruins were attached to some story about morality and god's judgment.

take lots wife for instance, along the sea where this supposedly happened there are naturally occurring pillars of salt, now add imagination and trying to make a story to tell your kids to instill fear of god in them, you see these naturally occurring spires and voila!!! "See that? remember lots wife..." how many other times has god just so happened to turn someone into salt??? Places like Sodom and Gomorrah were visible from well traveled roads, reinforcing the fables.

My point is this, these patterns of evidence type shows try their damnedest to extract reinforcement for an existing belief. Good old fashioned eisegesis. Trying to apply the myth to reality. If there is an ancient city that was destroyed, and its there and you can see it, and the bible says "god destroyed it". Finding the city doesn't mean that is true.

Bible stories may overlap with real places and events as they should. That doesn't mean the bible is not a work of fiction. The bible plagiarized stories from other cultures and hijacked natural and man made sites into its narrative.

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Would you have married your spouse if you weren't both JWs?

by 3rdgen in

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friends

ok, i've had some wine, but i'm curious.

objectively speaking, but for the religion, did you have enough in common with your spouse to have met and married as non believers?

freemindfade

No

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

!

freemindfade

Slimy business, but clever. I remember passing this case at bethel and having them gloat, not about the "awards" in it, but how humble they were not to make an ostentatious display for them!! I shit you not. Like "oh we just have them on this basic shelf in a hallway because its nice but we really don't care." yea right,

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Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus

by cappytan in

jw
friends

the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.

yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.

i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.

freemindfade

Funny thing, on one of the jw bible tours at the metropolitan museum of modern art, in the Egypt section they point to a broken piece of pottery. Probably smalled than a silver dollar. With a small man on it with a beard. They said this was evidence of Hebrews in Egypt, they quote the scripture about the rocks crying out and acknowledge how there is virtually no evidence but the big J was using this pottery as proo . Then everyone oood and awwwd. I had to take family and friends on these tours several times. I always found them amazing. Now I just see how the witnesses twisted actually archeology and history to fit their ideas of truth. So sad.

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Worthy of imitation?

by stuckinarut2 in

the society says that ancient biblical characters (and their faith) are worthy of imitation right?.

so let's start a list of examples:.

- lot.

freemindfade

Sampson also banged a hooker. check it out.

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Long time lurker, first time poster ...

by LettMorrisSplaneit in

i finally had the guts to create a profile to be able to post.

i've been lurking for a few months and have read all your experiences and comments dutifully.

you have been a great help in my process of waking up from this cult posing as the one true religion.

freemindfade

Welcome

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Why Me?

by Grey Goose in

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friends

it the question that i have found myself constantly asking myself the past few months.

out of all the jws i interact with, why did it have to be me that woke up from this mess?.

i am relieved that i have woken up to the bullshit, but a side of me misses that fuzzy feeling of being a 100% believer.

freemindfade

That "fuzzy feeling" was not real. At all! Waking up is a cluster-f-ck of stress this is true, but when you get yourself properly distance you will realize that the fuzzy feeling was not so good.

A lot of us feel we had so many friends inside and outside not as many. But I say this, once you are out you need to learn how to be friends with yourself, find out who you are, what you will believe, and why you like being your true self. Good luck.